Extinction Rebellion

[BigTom]

It will be interesting to see if xr use any of their new treasure to pay fines of those prosecuted for offences during the protest

You have to be careful about this because judges can vary the court costs (and fines I think) and they can make you pay more if they believe you are going to have your fines paid by other people, or at least that's what we were told when we talked about fundraising to pay for any fines/costs incurred by the people charged for the fortnum and mason ukuncut action a few years back.
You'd hope that they would find ways to have anyone fined happen to get some generous presents but I don't think they can talk about this openly if they do.

edit: they could also give some of their money to GBC who I assume provided the legal observers and will have done arrest / police station support as well as ongoing post-arrest support.

 

[LDC]

It will be interesting to see if xr use any of their new treasure to pay fines of those prosecuted for offences during the protest

I can imagine the discussions about what to do with the money being quite difficult.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I would have thought this would help people be more forthcoming.

Actually, perhaps this is part of the arrestables/unarrestables consideration in terms of personal resources?

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Actually, perhaps this is part of the arrestables/unatrestables consideration in terms of personal resources?

do you mean that this model excludes people without enough £ to cover costs of arrest? Or do you mean people choose not to be arrested partly because they don't have the money to cover potential costs of arrest? [guess it's both really]

 

[Treacle Toes]

do you mean that this model excludes people without enough £ to cover costs of arrest? Or do you mean people choose not to be arrested partly because they don't have the money to cover potential costs of arrest? [guess it's both really]

The latter was my question/musing that the 'arrestables' chose that role as they knew they have the resources to deal with the fallout, including the financial implications with full awareness that XR would not step in to do so.

 

[Gramsci]

If it looks like the cops assigned to a protest might not be up for the desired level of violence, they bring in other cops who will be.

I think the extent to which XR people unquestioningly trust the police is exaggerated though. There are plenty of folk there with extensive experience, and while there might be some friendly tweets and chat, I don't see any _actions_ that indicate trust. They've been able to stay there for a long time after all.

Going back to my experience on Waterloo Bridge. See post 1020.

What I left out from that post was reaction to XR supporters that night to police action.

There were chants of "whose police are police" and calls to "send out love to the police" whilst the police removed and arrested the people locked onto the lorry.

When after four hours the police got them off and bundled them into police vans there was call to send out love to the police women who helped to do this.

As much as I respect the XR protestors on the ground I found this slightly cringe making.

By all means use NVDA but sending out "love" to the cops?

The cops weren't using truncheons but they were using state sanctified power to crush dissent.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Going back to my experience on Waterloo Bridge. See post 1020.

What I left out from that post was reaction to XR supporters that night to police action.

There were chants of "whose police are police" and calls to "send out love to the police" whilst the police removed and arrested the people locked onto the lorry.

When after four hours the police got them off and bundled them into police vans there was call to send out love to the police women who helped to do this.

As much as I respect the XR protestors on the ground I found this slightly cringe making.

By all means use NVDA but sending out "love" to the cops?

The cops weren't using truncheons but they were using state sanctified power to crush dissent.

I'm glad to say that I didn't encounter much of this at parliament square. I saw one person making a banner saying something about being sorry the police were loosing their bank holiday leave. I tried to get the person to see how this positioned the police in relation to us etc, but I did see the banner out and about later. However, that was only one person. Most people were behind NVDA which includes civil negotiation at times eg 'please let me through to see the person in the lock on to check that they are ok' 'please don't take all the stuff from this site tent, I'd like to move it so I know where people's things have gone' etc people. Many expressed disgust that they'd heard people elsewhere say 'we love you' to the police.

eta: I've personally disliked having to spend so much time in close proximity to the police last week. Talking to them to let me do what I needed to do for people being arrested They're sneaky liars [in uniform] and want to harvest any intel from any conversation with them. They are not our friends or a force for good. As much as they were experiencing the freezing nights or the sweltering sunny days, that's a job they are paid for. Protesters were experiencing the same without the pay. At times they tried to intimidate/arrest the first aid, legal observers and well being people to demoralise the people locked on
I'm not feeling the love

 

[cupid_stunt]

Members of Extinction Rebellion have glued themselves to the London Stock Exchange as part of protests against climate change.

The group, which disrupted hundreds of thousands of commuters in the capital last week, said yesterday that it had decided to end its demonstrations.

On Thursday morning, two men and five women glued themselves to a wall and to each other.

Extinction Rebellion members glue themselves to London Stock Exchange

 

[cupid_stunt]

And, they are on a DLR train again.



ETA - [The guy on the left] Extinction Rebellion said one of the protesters, named Phil, is 83 years old.

 

[Pickman's model]

And, they are on a DLR train again.

Isn't the point about canaries in mines that they die? Unless these are little birds that have sung for the cops...

 

[Sprocket.]

Isn't the point about canaries in mines that they die? Unless these are little birds that have sung for the cops...

Canaries were used as to tell of impending danger. If they stopped singing there was deadly gas about.
The canaries in later years were in a cage that could be isolated and had a small oxygen cylinder to hopefully revive the birds.

 

[Pickman's model]

Canaries were used as to tell of impending danger. If they stopped singing there was deadly gas about.
The canaries in later years were in a cage that could be isolated and had a small oxygen cylinder to hopefully revive the birds.

I'd always thought the canaries had come to a sticky end and pleased to learn I was wrong

 

[tim]

Still on it, I've just seen them, causing minor delays.

 

[Sprocket.]

I'd always thought the canaries had come to a sticky end and pleased to learn I was wrong

In the UK in 1986 all canaries were replaced with ‘the electronic nose’
A lot of households on the estate I grew up on had a canary as a pet.

 

[Santino]

Is that why they chose Canary Wharf?

 

[LDC]

It's all quite 12 Monkeys isn't it? That photo of them all dressed up does have a slight whiff of funny cult about it imo.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Is that why they chose Canary Wharf?

One would hope that it's also because of it being a 'banking' zone.

 

[Sprocket.]

One would hope that it's also because of it being a 'banking' zone.

With all the money received by XR recently they may be looking for investment advice?

 

[Red Sky]

There's going to be a crunch time for XR in the aftermath of the London events.

Questions are being raised in local meetings about how groups relate to "Central", about where the money is and how decisions are made.

 

[Treacle Toes]

With all the money received by ER recently they may be looking for investment advice?

Yes of course, that's why they are at the stock exchange too

 

[Sprocket.]

Yes of course, that's why they are at the stock exchange too

Ecologically aware capitalists.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's going to be a crunch time for XR in the aftermath of the London events.

Questions are being raised in local meetings about how groups relate to "Central", about where the money is and how decisions are made.

this could be where it gets messy

 

[Sprocket.]

this could be where it gets messy

It’s amazing how quickly unity dissolves when cash is added to the mix.

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s amazing how quickly unity dissolves when cash is added to the mix.

i don't think that's really the case, it dissolves quickly when there's cash and no accountability and a shit decision-making process.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yeah, it's a lot of money, currently at just short of £425k.

2019 Extinction Rebellion - Choose life & rebel with us.

 

[friedaweed]

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Extinction Rebellion members glue themselves to London Stock Exchange

Shirley it would of been better to put the bigger guys in the middle no?

Have these people never seen a scrum down ?

 

[maomao]

I'd much rather be delayed by XR than by the trains just being shit like they normally are.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Video showing them getting up on the train.



Fast forward to see the police going up around 1 hr 40 mins later.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It’s amazing how quickly unity dissolves when cash is added to the mix.

I really don't think that questions being asked about how the funds are being managed automatically equates to a loss of unity. It's normal that people ask for clarity on such things.

 

[Pickman's model]

In the UK in 1986 all canaries were replaced with ‘the electronic nose’
A lot of households on the estate I grew up on had a canary as a pet.