Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
for the terminally stupid IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE PEACEABLE AS THE COPS STRENGTHEN THEIR BATON ARMS ON THE BODIES OF THE NON-VIOLENT
Extinction Rebellion
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mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
Christ. I'm just trying to get the point across that it's making the job easier for police, taking some fear out of it for them.
8ball
1,200 lights
mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
Thank you, my Lord.
Idaho
blah blah blah
I was not thinking about the metropolitan police, but of an example I heard over the weekend . A single policeman covering all of Redcar and Cleveland. Which, being as you are a shrieky, literal and frankly tiresome person will now announce some form of victory in this discussion.
As for police always cracking heads when told to... I think that this discipline breaks down in certain circumstances.
Flavour
hang the bankers
I think it's important to distinguish between "Capitalisms". The capitalism underpinned by parliamentary democracy would certainly not be capable of enacting radical change for fear of losing votes. Capitalism a la Chinese, i.e. with a one-party monopoly over the State, could potentially take radical action without such fears.
gosub
~#
Think that was more Liberals going if we expand the electorate beyond home owning males they will all vote for us... Only they didn't
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh everyone knows about the paucity of police in some places. but i don't think i'd want to steal theresa may's or amber rudd's victory, after all it's their work wot done it. but it's fucking irrelevant. you're saying the met have been gentle with xr because of policing in redcar and cleveland.
that's really very fucking stupid. even for you.
yeh like when the cops killed ian tomlinson, when the man who killed him shouldn't have been out cracking skulls but sat tight in a police van.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Best comment of thread thus far.
8ball
1,200 lights
Indeed. The police's correct role should be cracking the heads of people found to be in possession of plasma screen TVs and curling tongs. And toning mist. Just because.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Fear? Fear of what? Six months' gardening leave followed by an acquittal from the IPCC if they accidentally crack someone's skull open?
E2a: If you go on the piggy forums you will see them talking up the risks they take policing protests, talking like they're all off to the fucking Somme tomorrow morning or something. But they must know nothing ever happens to them, they're just winding themselves up to the point where they feel OK about putting the boot into unarmed, peaceful, innocent people.
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8ball
1,200 lights
Nothing terrifies coppers like gardening.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Do remind when the police refused orders to crack heads? Go back as far as you like?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If you seek the support or approval of the police you are knowingly turning away from the huge swathes of society that are systematically mistreated by the police. It's not a neutral, apolitical thing at all. It's a decision about who you value more, ordinary people or the boot boys of the capitalist system you claim to oppose.
Idaho
blah blah blah
Googling "police join protesters" brings up lots of stuff from all over the world. It's not that uncommon.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
If it looks like the cops assigned to a protest might not be up for the desired level of violence, they bring in other cops who will be.
I think the extent to which XR people unquestioningly trust the police is exaggerated though. There are plenty of folk there with extensive experience, and while there might be some friendly tweets and chat, I don't see any _actions_ that indicate trust. They've been able to stay there for a long time after all.
I think the extent to which XR people unquestioningly trust the police is exaggerated though. There are plenty of folk there with extensive experience, and while there might be some friendly tweets and chat, I don't see any _actions_ that indicate trust. They've been able to stay there for a long time after all.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if it's not so uncommon give us an example from this country
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
On Policing.
I don't think the policing has been soft. Its thats initially the protest caught the police by surprise.
My night on Waterloo Bridge showed the level of organisation and resources police can manage when put to it. It is not getting truncheons out but its the police showing they can gradually crush dissent.
The use of non violence by XR as a tactic wasn't imo because of naivety. It was because they knew that full on confrontation would be crushed straight away. XR didn't think police would just let them get on with it. If I get it right the tactic was that so many people would be arrested that this would spark off mass civil disobedience. The tactical use of NVDA was partly due to knowing that the State and its instrument the Police have the resources to crush violent dissent.
I think the XR tactic has been partially successful. It hasn't been so successful is sparking mass disobedience.
On the bank holiday weekend it looked to me like the police had got loads of extra police in for the weekend.
I don't think the policing has been soft. Its thats initially the protest caught the police by surprise.
My night on Waterloo Bridge showed the level of organisation and resources police can manage when put to it. It is not getting truncheons out but its the police showing they can gradually crush dissent.
The use of non violence by XR as a tactic wasn't imo because of naivety. It was because they knew that full on confrontation would be crushed straight away. XR didn't think police would just let them get on with it. If I get it right the tactic was that so many people would be arrested that this would spark off mass civil disobedience. The tactical use of NVDA was partly due to knowing that the State and its instrument the Police have the resources to crush violent dissent.
I think the XR tactic has been partially successful. It hasn't been so successful is sparking mass disobedience.
On the bank holiday weekend it looked to me like the police had got loads of extra police in for the weekend.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh they got loads of cops in for the weekend but if you were privy to high-level xr discussions I bet you'd have heard them banking on broken heads - which given how previous climate things went would be a reasonable assumption
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I see Exsnitchion Rebellion have announced that their work is done, the planet is saved and they can all go back to the suburbs. Bravo. Bravo I say.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
No they haven't, you plank.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
The actions that were planned to last two weeks are ending after two weeks? Wow sellouts.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Yes, they have announced the end of their planned 2 week demo, a day early.
They haven't announced that their work is done, nor the rest of the bollocks you posted.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It will be interesting to see if xr use any of their new treasure to pay fines of those prosecuted for offences during the protest
Treacle Toes
Time
They were hoping for saturation and overwhelming surely. It's obviously a situation which can create
opportunities.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
they explicitly stated that this would not be the case. Although I would hope they give some support to the people on remand currently
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They'll find fewer people up for a nicking if they're abandoned after while the group profits from their sacrifice
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I met very few people who were all over the police. many were veterans of all sorts of other campaigns and had a lot of police experience.
Treacle Toes
Time
I would have thought this would help people be more forthcoming.
