Extinction Rebellion

[lucillemara]

one might even say, if one were so inclined, that it is always already

 

[heebyjeeby]

oh i think we've seen you somewhere before, my lovely

Possibly...who knows. if you live in London, quite possibly.

But come on lets hear how smashing up MacDonalds will bring the state to its knees

 

[heebyjeeby]

the state is already violent heeby

yes, and very very good at it, that's why they are the state and you aren't.

 

[Pickman's model]

Possibly...who knows. if you live in London, quite possibly.

But come on lets hear how smashing up MacDonalds will bring the state to its knees

i have not made the claim it will

 

[lucillemara]

yes, and very very good at it, that's why they are the state and you aren't.

so good that you could even say it has monopoly on violence, and there's nothing violent about fighting back unless you think its monopoly is legitimated by the fact that it exists

 

[heebyjeeby]

i have not made the claim it will

So please outline a scenario where the use of violence by this 'extinction-rebellion group will achieve anything useful?

 

[heebyjeeby]

so good that you could even say it has monopoly on violence, and there's nothing violent about fighting back unless you think its monopoly is legitimated by the fact that it exists

yes it has a virtual monopoly on it and fighting is always violence whether or not you think it ethical.

 

[eoin_k]

 

[lucillemara]

no I'm not at least

 

[Pickman's model]

So please outline a scenario where the use of violence by this 'extinction-rebellion group will achieve anything useful?

if they were to machine-gun the cabinet it would do no harm.

 

[lucillemara]

so you do have some good practical suggestions not just snarky rejoinders

 

[Pickman's model]

so you do have some good practical suggestions not just snarky rejoinders

yeh it's something you could learn to emulate

 

[lucillemara]

not to your highly exacting but totally inscrutable standards I'm sure

 

[Pickman's model]

not to your highly exacting but totally inscrutable standards I'm sure

i think you'll find the relevant standard is iso 75822

 

[heebyjeeby]

if they were to machine-gun the cabinet it would do no harm.

As I thought...just silly responses

 

[heebyjeeby]

so you do have some good practical suggestions not just snarky rejoinders

yes...Convince the electorate to back you then win a General Election and then perform well enough as a Government that people will continue electing you.

if you can't win an election you certainly can't win a civil war

 

[Pickman's model]

As I thought...just silly responses

They're better responses than you deserve

 

[Pickman's model]

yes...Convince the electorate to back you then win a General Election and then perform well enough as a Government that people will continue electing you.

if you can't win an election you certainly can't win a civil war

How soon the Bolsheviks are forgotten

 

[Pickman's model]

yes...Convince the electorate to back you then win a General Election and then perform well enough as a Government that people will continue electing you.

if you can't win an election you certainly can't win a civil war

That's not merely a silly post it's a fucking stupid post

 

[heebyjeeby]

That's not merely a silly post it's a fucking stupid post

yes...which you can't reply to so resort to idiocy

 

[Pickman's model]

yes...which you can't reply to so resort to idiocy

I have replied to it. Twice.

 

[heebyjeeby]

How soon the Bolsheviks are forgotten

Yeah....Russia wasn't exactly an established democracy in 1917 was it? You seriously think some sort of vanguard Leninists can defeat the government of any western nation? Or is it the forces of Anarchism?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah....Russia wasn't exactly an established democracy in 1917 was it? You seriously think some sort of vanguard Leninists can defeat the government of any western nation? Or is it the forces of Anarchism?

Did they teach the Second World War at your school?

 

[heebyjeeby]

Did they teach the Second World War at your school?

They did

 

[Pickman's model]

They did

You must have missed the bit where they told you about the USSR defeating Germany then

 

[heebyjeeby]

You must have missed the bit where they told you about the USSR defeating Germany then

rotflmao
You really descend to that sort of Nonsense. that as you well know was a country not a vanguardist party.
There is ZERO chance of a change of government by revolution in the UK
and you can't construct a scenario where its remotely possible. You are just Spanish Civil war larpers

 

[mojo pixy]

EtA, y'know what? no.
not playing that game.

 

[Pickman's model]

rotflmao
You really descend to that sort of Nonsense. that as you well know was a country not a vanguardist party.
There is ZERO chance of a change of government by revolution in the UK
and you can't construct a scenario where its remotely possible. You are just Spanish Civil war larpers

The Bolsheviks / cpsu were a vanguardist party

 

[mojo pixy]

I'd start by disabling every CCTV camera in the country, all on the same night. Obviously not by myself, so you know .. recruit.

 

[heebyjeeby]

The Bolsheviks / cpsu were a vanguardist party

I dont think Russia in 1917 bears any resemblance to the UK today. If you think a Bolshevik party could sieze power today you must be very prone to fantasy