Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

[Pickman's model]

I left the margarine out of the fridge yesterday, for instance.

that's worse than anything i've seen on the roads in a long time

 

[Pickman's model]

What point are you making? What does cyclists behaviour have to do with dangerous drivers?

we indulge dangerous cyclists far far more than we indulge dangerous drivers.

 

[liquidindian]

we indulge dangerous cyclists far far more than we indulge dangerous drivers.

Almost as if they're not equally dangerous.

 

[edcraw]

we indulge dangerous cyclists far far more than we indulge dangerous drivers.

That’s not true though. How many killer cyclists have not gone to jail?

It’s just bizarre how seemingly normal people are happy to make excuses for dangerous drivers.

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s not true though. How many killer cyclists have not gone to jail?

your very claim demonstrates the difference, that you expect dangerous drivers to be arrested and prosecuted but cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions. and the reason that this matters is that as things move towards a non-carbon based economy, as society reorients to a more sustainable future, cycling will form an increasingly core part of transport and safety ought to be designed into how we move forwards.

 

[liquidindian]

your very claim demonstrates the difference, that you expect dangerous drivers to be arrested and prosecuted but cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions.

My wife was annoyed about the margarine.

 

[Pickman's model]

My wife was annoyed about the margarine.

and rightly so. i'm annoyed about the margarine.

 

[edcraw]

your very claim demonstrates the difference, that you expect dangerous drivers to be arrested and prosecuted but cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions.

You don’t expect dangerous drivers that kill to be arrested and prosecuted? I expect cyclists that kill etc to go to prison - I also think justifying dangerous driving is very irresponsible.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don’t expect dangerous drivers that kill to be arrested and prosecuted?

i never said or suggested anything of the sort, i was addressing the underlying notions behind your last post

 

[teuchter]

but cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions.

Yeah when you're on a bike you can do what you want and face no consequences.

 

[edcraw]

i never said or suggested anything of the sort, i was addressing the underlying notions behind your last post

I still don’t see what dangerous cyclists have to do with dangerous driving.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah when you're on a bike you can do what you want and face no consequences.

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that's a typically stupid post of yours. i say: cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions
you say: cyclists can do what they want and face no consequences. utterly fuckwitted. utterly typical of you

 

[edcraw]

that's a typically stupid post of yours. i say: cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions
you say: cyclists can do what they want and face no consequences. utterly fuckwitted. utterly typical of you

You still haven’t explained what relevance cyclist behaviour has in the first place.

 

[Pickman's model]

You still haven’t explained what relevance cyclist behaviour has in the first place.

if you were to read my posts you might be surprised.

 

[edcraw]

if you were to read my posts you might be surprised.

Well all I can read from them is you justifying dangerous driving around cyclists by some cyclists also being dangerous.

 

[liquidindian]

if you were to read my posts you might be surprised.

"But worrabout cyclists" is not a surprising thing to read online.

Edit: Testing something.

 

[teuchter]

You still haven’t explained what relevance cyclist behaviour has in the first place.

Pickman's model thinks that cycling needs to become a more core part of transport...but

He thinks that forcing cyclists to have insurance is a good idea.

He thinks that we indulge dangerous cyclists more than we indulge dangerous drivers.

I think he's not spent much time thinking or reading up about transport policy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well all I can read from them is you justifying dangerous driving around cyclists by some cyclists also being dangerous.

8495

 

[edcraw]

Pickman's model thinks that cycling needs to become a more core part of transport...but

He thinks that forcing cyclists to have insurance is a good idea.

He thinks that we indulge dangerous cyclists more than we indulge dangerous drivers.

I think he's not spent much time thinking or reading up about transport policy.

Yep - attitude not based on facts. Government has looked at registration & insurance for cyclists and deemed that the negatives out weigh and positives so what would the point be. Just seems to come from a hating cyclists point of view.

 

[edcraw]

8495

You’ve added that after people have already quoted it?

It still doesn’t have anything to do with an article about dangerous driving unless you are trying to justify it.

 

[teuchter]

You’ve added that after people have already quoted it?

Well spotted!

 

[teuchter]

we indulge dangerous cyclists far far more than we indulge dangerous drivers.

I'm quoting this post in full before he tries to change it too.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm quoting this post in full before he tries to change it too.

i wouldn't dream of changing it, it's true.

 

[Pickman's model]

You’ve added that after people have already quoted it?

It still doesn’t have anything to do with an article about dangerous driving unless you are trying to justify it.

no, i added it immediately after i posted. i didn't add it in the light of any reply.

 

[edcraw]

no, i added it immediately after i posted. i didn't add it in the light of any reply.

But you can’t expect people that have obviously already read your posts as they’ve quoted them to go back and read them in case you’ve added something!

 

[Pickman's model]

But you can’t expect people that have obviously already read your posts as they’ve quoted them to go back and read them in case you’ve added something!

i will be sure to take that into account as we proceed.

 

[edcraw]

Still don’t understand what this has got to do with dangerous driving.

 

[teuchter]

i wouldn't dream of changing it, it's true.

No it's not, and it's an assertion you are unable to support with any kind of evidence.

 

[thebackrow]

your very claim demonstrates the difference, that you expect dangerous drivers to be arrested and prosecuted but cyclists so rarely face the consequences of their actions. and the reason that this matters is that as things move towards a non-carbon based economy, as society reorients to a more sustainable future, cycling will form an increasingly core part of transport and safety ought to be designed into how we move forwards.

This twitter thread highlights the issues with how we deal with deadly driving at the moment, and the obvious limits of drivers being trained, taxed and insured.



Training and insurance doesn't stop those who ignore the requirement because enforcement and sanctions are weak.


This image clearly illustrates the relative danger from other vehicle types and perhaps where we should focus effort in reducing road danger -

 

[Pickman's model]

No it's not, and it's an assertion you are unable to support with any kind of evidence.

we indulge dangerous cycling by giving it few consequences. i've been run into on the pavement of holloway road by someone cycling on the pavement. when i remonstrated with her she said she wasn't on the road (but on a crowded pavement) because she had no brakes. nothing happened to her, no cop talked to her, no one arrested her, off she went as free as bird to carry on acting without any fear of consequences. that's one example. there are many, many more.