ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE - what's that all about?

[FridgeMagnet]

Racism is about more than *just* skin colour though.. isn't it? it's about culture, it's about believing that their race is superior to another persons race... and race is about more than just skin colour... or it's becoming so...

I completely agree; racism is more than skin colour, that's a weird interpretation (based on slavery I would argue) - is anti-Irish discrimination not racism? Anti-semitism?

As well as that though, I think some people have forgotten why "racism" is bad. It's because it's applying unwarranted prejudices to a large group of people based not on what they have done, but on the basis of some other irrelevant characteristic. Even if this lot really *were* just about "Muslims" as opposed to it really meaning "Asians" (and some will be) it's still just as bad.

 

[citygirl]

I dont think so. I think your mixing two things up. Prejudice can be based on cultural things too. There can be a cross over at times but to suggest that all cultural prejudice is based on racism is wrong.

Well the dictionary is ALSO mixing two things up then... because it agrees that racism is about culture... what is that then?... culturism?

 

[citygirl]

I completely agree; racism is more than skin colour, that's a weird interpretation (based on slavery I would argue) - is anti-Irish discrimination not racism? Anti-semitism?

As well as that though, I think some people have forgotten why "racism" is bad. It's because it's applying unwarranted prejudices to a large group of people based not on what they have done, but on the basis of some other irrelevant characteristic. Even if this lot really *were* just about "Muslims" as opposed to it really meaning "Asians" (and some will be) it's still just as bad.

Blaming the many, for the "sins" of the few... tarring all Muslims with the same brush...to these people... you're ok if you eat the same food as "us", wear the same clothes as "us", speak the same language as "us", and live the same way as "us"... if you don't... then you're NOT "us"...you're "them"...

 

[tbaldwin]

I completely agree; racism is more than skin colour, QUOTE]

Really?
I can understand why you and others think some racists would use the word muslims because there afraid to say pakis etc.
I can understand the crossover arguement but i really don't get how you think that everybody who expresses fears about the spread of muslim fundamentalism is some kind of racist or closet racist.

I think that racism is poison. But i also think irrational and fundamental religious bigots are preety poisonous.

 

[tbaldwin]

Well the dictionary is ALSO mixing two things up then... because it agrees that racism is about culture... what is that then?... culturism?

Cultural prejudice. And lets face when it comes to the UK it is hardly limited to people not liking people based on their religion.

 

[citygirl]

You think this EDL crap is really only about "Islamic fundamentalism" do you?...gosh...you're easy to fool... can you lend me a million quid.. promise i'll pay it back

 

[citygirl]

Cultural prejudice. And lets face when it comes to the UK it is hardly limited to people not liking people based on their religion.

true... bet this lot can't stand gays, either

does that make it OK then?....

 

[FridgeMagnet]

i really don't get how you think that everybody who expresses fears about the spread of muslim fundamentalism is some kind of racist or closet racist.

except I didn't say that or anything anywhere near it

 

[citygirl]

Fair play to em though to be honest... that video does rather make out they're not racist, or homophobic...they even got banners saying so...


Wonder where they left this lot while they were filming that bit though?...

now, call me judgemental... but if I saw this lot coming towards me, I'd be making all sorts of snap judgements about their intentions....

 

[tbaldwin]

You think this EDL crap is really only about "Islamic fundamentalism" do you?...gosh...you're easy to fool... can you lend me a million quid.. promise i'll pay it back

Probably a bit more complex than that. And also a bit more complex than there all closet racists really.....
Sorry not got a spare milllion at the moment.

 

[tbaldwin]

true... bet this lot can't stand gays, either

does that make it OK then?....

Personally i think racism and homophobia are both poison.
But like you i am hardly without prejudice. Especially cultural prejudice.

 

[rabs25]

I dont think Islam is race, it covers Africa, Asia and the Middle East. It's more a set of beliefs. The EDL have opposing beliefs and demonstrate to make these beliefs known. I think its a good thing. They are not the BNP. And the organisation don't share the same racist beliefs.

 

[butchersapron]

I dont think Islam is race, it covers Africa, Asia and the Middle East. It's more a set of beliefs. The EDL have opposing beliefs and demonstrate to make these beliefs known. I think its a good thing. They are not the BNP. And the organisation don't share the same racist beliefs.

What's the organisation rabs?

Edit: fair play for coming on if you're EDL - are you?

 

[tbaldwin]

One of the things seldom commented on about muslims is the racism that exists between arab,pakistani and black muslims. One of those issues that a lot of erm anti racists seem to want to brush under the carpet. I guess they feel on much safer ground shouting at white football fans with short hair.

 

[butchersapron]

Commented on by who?

 

[citygirl]

I dont think Islam is race, it covers Africa, Asia and the Middle East. It's more a set of beliefs. The EDL have opposing beliefs and demonstrate to make these beliefs known. I think its a good thing. They are not the BNP. And the organisation don't share the same racist beliefs.

They share the same anti-islamic beliefs though... "Ban the burka"... why?... "No more mosques"... why?

and I quote "They can fuck off back where they came from"... Course they're not BNP...they have different initials for starters

 

[tbaldwin]

Commented on by who?

It seems to be commented on very little by anybody in the media and once when i raised the issue of racial segregation of mosques on urban people jumped to all kinds of lazy assumptions.

 

[rabs25]

They have black members. They are making big efforts to be seen to be none racist. They are kicking racists from their forums and Facebook pages. As I understood it they are anti radical Islam not anti Islam. A liberal should be against radical Islam because of it's beliefs.

Islam practised like C of E isnt going to cause many problems but that's not the kind they are protesting against.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Can you save me the effort of checking the referer logs? I'll have to wait a bit before I can.

 

[citygirl]

racial segregation of mosques?.... must've missed that conversation....

what's that all about then?..

 

[tbaldwin]

racial segregation of mosques?.... must've missed that conversation....

what's that all about then?..

About the way most mosques in the UK serve distinct groups eg you have mosques for Blacks,Turks,Arabs and Pakistanis.
Inter marriage is very very rare between those different groups of muslims as im sure you know. An arab girl who went out with a pakistani or african muslim could run the risk of all kinds of horrible things as you probably also know.

 

[citygirl]

I wouldn't say it was as rare as many seem to think it is...

Where's the thread?... I'd be interested in seeing it...

 

[tbaldwin]

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167272

for city girl....

 

[FridgeMagnet]

lol

 

[citygirl]

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I did actually lol at that, it was the way that tbaldwin starts the thread, the second post is "" and then on the third post WOW goes in with "you TROLLING BASTARD!!!!! "

It was a pretty dumb question though. From 2006.

 

[tbaldwin]

I did actually lol at that, it was the way that tbaldwin starts the thread, the second post is "" and then on the third post WOW goes in with "you TROLLING BASTARD!!!!! "

It was a pretty dumb question though.

Actually met William about 6 months after this. Got on fine. I dont think he thought i was a racist after that.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

that thread's proper funny though

For the record I don't think you're a racist either - I reserve the right to point out when I think you post bollocks, however.

 

[citygirl]

About the way most mosques in the UK serve distinct groups eg you have mosques for Blacks,Turks,Arabs and Pakistanis.
Inter marriage is very very rare between those different groups of muslims as im sure you know. An arab girl who went out with a pakistani or african muslim could run the risk of all kinds of horrible things as you probably also know.

Oooooook... well, that sorta goes back a bit.. and on a bit... but i don't think i need to read all of it to be sure of my reply to you...but thanks for taking the time to find that for me

Is that just a Muslim thing though?.... cus, isn't Islam pretty much the same as most religions, in that sense?...For instance, Christianity is like a parent religion, whereas CofE and Catholicism are the "sects"... and I'm preeeeeetty certain that a devout Catholic wouldn't do well to be marrying an Atheist, for example... they also happen to have very big differences in their "beliefs".. and where and how they worship...so it makes sense that they don't all worship in the same places...

and just as a side issue... you use the word "racial" segregation, when surely, you mean religious? or cultural?.... after all, by your own definition... race is merely about colour of skin...

 

[tbaldwin]

that thread's proper funny though

For the record I don't think you're a racist either - I reserve the right to point out when I think you post bollocks, however.

Fair enough. Not a racist and more balls than hitler.