Egypt anti-government protests grow

[Divisive Cotton]

Morsi needs to pull something spectacular out of the hat now

 

[butchersapron]

Statement:

1. Egyptian security is threatened
2. Demonstrators: unprecedented, peaceful, admiral
3. The honourable people have been suffering without any response in kind
4. It is a necessity for all and each to embrace this honourable people
5. We iterate the demand to heed to the call of the people.
6. We give 48 hours for a solution to be found
7. If the demands of the people are not answered before this ultimatum...
8. Youth are honourably defending the revolution
9. Armed forces are still shouldering their patriotic responsibilities
10. May god save Egypt and its brave and honourable people

They gave 7 days a week ago i think.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

They gave 7 days a week ago i think.

The commentators on Al Jazeera said that too.

I think matters are more urgent now.

 

[Casually Red]

5 cabinet ministers resign, although al jazeera are claiming they arent key people and its not particulary threatening to the cabinet as a whole .

 

[mauvais]

First rule of military coup club: don't talk about military coup club

Second rule of military coup club: actually want to run the country

 

[teqniq]

would that compare with our 2003 anti-war demo?

um surely you must have seen some of the pix? Whilst the demo here was large I think it wouldn't even come close

 

[Casually Red]

Morsi needs to pull something spectacular out of the hat now

unlikely, hes tapped out with foreign loans and the best he can come out with is having a spokesperson claim on his behalf that he admits hes made mistakes but will rectify them.

Bashar al Assad must be pissing himself laughing at him .

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Why?

 

[teqniq]

Why?

Morsi had the Syrian embassy closed and its ambassador sent home from Cairo thus nailing his colours for all to see to the wealthy gulf states mast who have effectively been financing the MB. and coincidentally the Syrian rebels. Assad may have derived some pleasure from the current developments in Egypt and Morsi's predicament.

 

[J Ed]

https://twitter.com/ianjameslee/status/351736777939238912/photo/1

Army helicopters flying the Egyptian flag following the statement. I wonder how all of this will affect the prosecution of Mubarak.

 

[butchersapron]

Sami Anan, deputy chair of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces gone - once they can't carry on as before. Once people don't allow them.

 

[butchersapron]

https://twitter.com/ianjameslee/status/351736777939238912/photo/1

Army helicopters flying the Egyptian flag following the statement. I wonder how all of this will affect the prosecution of Mubarak.

Sideshow.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

SCAF have issued a new statement explaining that their earlier one didn't mean they were planning a coup. And further that the EGyptian military has never plotted coups.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

The Foreign Minister has resigned

Talk of Morsi firing Abdel Fattah El Sisi - the top Army bod that read out the SCAF statement

Salafi nour has called for early presidential elections (is that an indirect way of saying he must resign?)

 

[Casually Red]

Morsi has come out and rejected the army ultimatum. Could be an interesting few days ahead.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Yep, people go back to the streets

 

[Casually Red]

First rule of military coup club: don't talk about military coup club

Second rule of military coup club: actually want to run the country

i think the breif experience they had as the interim govt prior to morsis presidency has dissuaded them of any desire for that . If they do intervene its more likely theyll appoint technocrats prior to new elections. Which is basically what many protestors are calling for to happen .
Morsi now looks totally incapable of ruling, he doesnt have either army or significant police backing . While the protestors apparently do have it. And the army enjoy massive respect from the egyptian people.
So what it looks like is a looming showdown between a Muslim Brotherhood government vs the army , police and a very significant section of the egyptian population whove taken to the streets .

Smaller crowds brought down Mubarak.

 

[J Ed]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...e-army-does-not-hold-the-answers-8682480.html Fisk weighs in

 

[Casually Red]

whoah....RT are reporting Palestinian eyewitnesses claiming a large amount of Egyptian armour has just rolled up to the Gaza Sinai border . About 30 tanks.

http://rt.com/news/line/2013-07-02/#49135

 

[butchersapron]

Last night:

Freedom and Justice Party headquarters in Assiut set ablaze

Angry crowds broke into the Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) headquarters in Assiut and set the building ablaze Monday night after three protesters were killed in Sunday clashes with supporters of President Mohamed Morsi.

Al-Dostour Party in Assiut reported that crowds celebrated torching the building with fireworks and chants.

Protesters had gathered earlier in front of the governorate building where they had planned to stage a sit-in demanding the removal of Governor Yehia Keshk.

 

[audiotech]

'Armed Forces Releases Footage of June 30 Protests From Helicopter.' Absolutely amazing!



Another Helicopter from the ground:

 

[sihhi]

Last night:

Freedom and Justice Party headquarters in Assiut set ablaze

Just for extra info Assiut is/was until recently a fairly solid Islamist stronghold - used to be a centre for Gemaah Islamiya.

Those three protesters, Mohamed Nassef, Abanob and Mohamed Abdel were all shot at by Brotherhood snipers, some of whom shot from that very FJP building. 32 were also injured.

Apparently Abanob was a Coptic according to this AP report.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/01/v-fullstory/3480471/southern-city-in-egypt-takes-on.html

 

[audiotech]

the translation for some of the words said at tahrir square in cairo

HE WHO IS BOLD IS BOLD AND HE WHO IS A COWARD WILL ALWAYS BE A COWARD HE WHO IS BOLD STAND STILL IN THIS SQUARE IN ARABIC " EL GADA GADA WEL GABAN GABAN WENTA YA GADA ATHBAT FEL MEDAN"
ANOTHER ONE IS "ERHAL" OR leave AND STEP DOWN THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHERS.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't know if i should link to this or not, may remove it in a bit: footage of sexual assault in tahir square (it doesn't show the attack in full or anything like that, just the lead up as far as i can tell, but i turned it off after 10 seconds).

 

[belboid]

Don't know if i should link to this or not, may remove it in a bit: footage of sexual assault in tahir square (it doesn't show the attack in full or anything like that, just the lead up as far as i can tell, but i turned it off after 10 seconds).

wrong link, butch.

at least you hadn't been googling anything too embarrassing

 

[butchersapron]

Oops! Changed now.

 

[audiotech]

Latest:

Armed Forces' road map following expiration of 48 hours:

* The Armed Forces' draft roadmap would suspend Egypt's constitution and dissolve Islamist-led Parliament.

* Upon its implementation, an interim council would rule Egypt until the constitution is altered to "represent the Egyptian people." Within at least a month after the alterations, Presidential elections would be held (period could be longer and is dependent upon political environment).

* If the deadline expires and President Morsi and the opposition fail to agree to any alternate measures, the roadmap would immediately be implemented. However, the roadmap is subject to the agreement of the opposition movement and other parties.

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Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood has called for "martyrs" to stop the military coup and protect the legitimacy of the President.

"Egyptian Streets" facebook page.

 

[RedDragon]

Don't know if i should link to this or not, may remove it in a bit: footage of sexual assault in tahir square (it doesn't show the attack in full or anything like that, just the lead up as far as i can tell, but i turned it off after 10 seconds).

As an aside Re: your link to Simon Danczuk, nice litter earner on his surveys.

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Fees from Cumberlege Connections Ltd, Snells Cottage, The Green, Newick, Lewes, East
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[barney_pig]

"The Muslim Brotherhood was the most rooted and established opposition organisation in Egypt.

Its supporters had suffered decades of repression.

Many hoped it would represent the interests of ordinary Egyptians.

Instead Mursi and the Brotherhood’s neoliberal millionaires pursued their own interests."
Socialist worker 2/7/13
"We are also aware of the magnitude of the error in failure to discriminate between the reformism of the Muslim Brotherhood and the 'fascism' of Shafiq. The Brotherhood is supported by millions in the elections who aspire to the redistribution of the revolution and genuine democracy. It depends on the grassroots of the unions and professional associations and other social and democratic organisations, and on an audience among poor peasants, workers and the unemployed"
Socialist worker 28/5/12

 

[dominion]

The problem of the left backing the reactionary horse:

http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/islamism-versus-modernism-and-their.html