Were you there when that fucking awful song by boyband Ozone was popular?
Egypt anti-government protests grow
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Were you there when that fucking awful song by boyband Ozone was popular?
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yep. In Moldova "that song" is still popular, they play it on the radio about every half an hour.
Salut!
dylans
overlord of all acorns
(((youngmasterdylans)))
Can I come? Me and gsquare86 are already bosom buddies....
Sure. pack a bag for mid november.
(re your pm reminded me of something. Dot comm wrote to me recently with a similar suggestion but I couldn't write back to him because his in box is full. So if you are reading this Dot comm. EMPTY YOUR INBOX )
teqniq
DisMembered
Can we stop talking about me now (i'm blushing)
LOL
I suppose so, for myself anyway. However your insights are valuable, there's no denying that. 
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Toate lume in Moldova se place Dan Balan si Ozone. Nu poti scapa.
teqniq
DisMembered
Excellent blog detailing the
The night the capital of Hell fell down !!
State Security headquarters in Nasr city is taken over by the people:
Lots of pics and vids looks like a complete can of worms though unfortunately documents relating to torture and rendition have not been discovered; most likely shredded, moved or burned.
The night the capital of Hell fell down !!
State Security headquarters in Nasr city is taken over by the people:
Lots of pics and vids looks like a complete can of worms though unfortunately documents relating to torture and rendition have not been discovered; most likely shredded, moved or burned.
Have you considered moving to the USA? If you´re admitted, the university will usually provide you with work to pay your way.
A brilliant analysis dylans. I basically agree, I think that in power the MB would behave much like the AK party in Turkey. They´d Islamicize piecemeal, making sure not to get ahead of public opinion, and theyd be happy to work with the West. In these senses they are not at all radical, as you say.
However there is one issue over which the MN is most certainly radical by Western standards: Israel. They would adopt a far more hostile stance towards Israel than the West can accept. That´s why the West will do all it can to prevent them taking power.
It´s interesting to note how little Israel is mentioned in British debate about the mid east revolutions. The ultimate elephant in the drawing room.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
What the hell is going on in Egypt just now? Twitter saying that there is a big kerfuffle at Amn Dawla Lazoughly (SS/MOI HQ Cairo) with army turning on protesters and 'thugs' (SS I suppose) attacking too. Started with peaceful protest 5 hours ago. Now calling for people to occupy Tahrir.
yasserseif Yasser Seif
Protests were peaceful, military gunshots were unnecessary, it escalated situation since sayeda zeinab neighborhood was already pissed.
occupiedcairo Occupied Cairo
As soon as army fired in air thugs threw glass and rocks and tears gas. Coordinated attack by army/amn el dawla
RamyYaacoub Ramy Yaacoub
At state security building, Lazoghly RT @waelabbas: the army used tasers and beat girls #Jan25 #Egypt
alaa Alaa Abd El Fattah
♻ @khalidabdalla: It was a downpour. I hate the confusion that follows. No one quite knows what happened, or what made them open fire.
AymanM Ayman Mohyeldin
Just drove into #lazoghly young men w machetes and steel rods roaming around.
Article on Lazoughly from the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/24/alqaida.terrorism1
Where is Essam Sharaf?
yasserseif Yasser Seif
Protests were peaceful, military gunshots were unnecessary, it escalated situation since sayeda zeinab neighborhood was already pissed.
occupiedcairo Occupied Cairo
As soon as army fired in air thugs threw glass and rocks and tears gas. Coordinated attack by army/amn el dawla
RamyYaacoub Ramy Yaacoub
At state security building, Lazoghly RT @waelabbas: the army used tasers and beat girls #Jan25 #Egypt
alaa Alaa Abd El Fattah
♻ @khalidabdalla: It was a downpour. I hate the confusion that follows. No one quite knows what happened, or what made them open fire.
AymanM Ayman Mohyeldin
Just drove into #lazoghly young men w machetes and steel rods roaming around.
Article on Lazoughly from the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/24/alqaida.terrorism1
Where is Essam Sharaf?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Hostility to Israel is not an Islamist prerogative. It is an Arab one. Israel should indeed feel threatened by the events in Egypt (and across the middle East and North Africa) not because of the supposed "Islamist" threat but because any move to genuine self determination in the Arab world would inevitably reflect the universal hostility to Israel amongst Arabs. And for good reason. Israel represents a great injustice to their fellow Arabs.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Cheers for that post Dylans - very interesting. Certainly sounds like a plausible scenario.
With regards to Phildwyers point about the MBs hostility to Israel - as we have seen here - the lure of power is a powerful antedote to prinicples. The MB might continue to talk an anti-zionist game, but do next to nothing about it. They'd leave the dirty hands on collobaration to the Army - who would still get their paydirt from Uncle Sam in return.
A government consisting of the Muslim Brotherhood in an alliance with the military and international capital would be a sorry outcome for the revolution.
With regards to Phildwyers point about the MBs hostility to Israel - as we have seen here - the lure of power is a powerful antedote to prinicples. The MB might continue to talk an anti-zionist game, but do next to nothing about it. They'd leave the dirty hands on collobaration to the Army - who would still get their paydirt from Uncle Sam in return.
A government consisting of the Muslim Brotherhood in an alliance with the military and international capital would be a sorry outcome for the revolution.
teqniq
DisMembered
The position of the MB imo with regard to Israel is almost by the by inasmuch as the new Prime Minister Essam Sharaf is on the record as saying that he strongly opposes normalization of ties with Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essam_Sharaf
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
As far as I can ascertain he has no ties with the MB, consequently and especially in light of his acceptance by the people it think it's fairly safe to say that he may reflect a common feeling amongst the populace that the current peace treaty with Israel is unacceptable.
Incidentally, according to this article:
Egypt gas still not flowing to Israel
So, I would suspect that there are a lot of nervous imaginings in Tel-Aviv.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essam_Sharaf
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
As far as I can ascertain he has no ties with the MB, consequently and especially in light of his acceptance by the people it think it's fairly safe to say that he may reflect a common feeling amongst the populace that the current peace treaty with Israel is unacceptable.
Incidentally, according to this article:
Egypt gas still not flowing to Israel
So, I would suspect that there are a lot of nervous imaginings in Tel-Aviv.
teqniq
DisMembered
If that is directed at me I'm sorry I have absolutely no idea, I think it's way too early to say anything about that. In any case that wasn't really what my post and the preceding ones were about.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think we can all agree that a nervous nuclear Israel is not in anyones best interests.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
An Israel that is forced to obey international law, end it's brutal 44 year occupation of Palestine and end the siege of Gaza is in everyone's interests
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Perhaps.
But do you think any of this is likely as a result of what's happening now? Your second will never happen if you mean the total removal of the state of Israel. Or do you think we're likely to see an even more aggressive stance being taken by an even more threatened nation?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
The issue isn't the existence of Israel. The issue is the occupation. It is an open wound in the Arab world and the daily sight of Palestinians being brutalised and evicted and arrested and bombed and killed by Israeli occupation forces makes any path to normalisation with Israel impossible. It can't even begin until this crime in the Arab world comes to an end and there is a just settlement for the Palestinians. The hypocricy of Western Governments who give platitudes to democracy and human rights while turning a blind eye to the most outrageous violence of Israel is not lost on Arabs.
The issue is an end to the illegal occupation of post 67 Palestinian land, the West Bank and East Jerusalem and an end to illegal settlements and an end to the siege of Gaza. All these policies are in clear and unambiguous violation of the numerous articles of international law. No maybe's, no debates or controversies, the occupation is not "alleged" or "so called". It is illegal and has been declared illegal by every UN vote and by the rulings of every single institution of international law who have ruled on the question since 1967. The UN security council, The International court of Justice, The Red Cross, the red crescent, Amnesty, the fourth Geneva convention. The international commission of Jurists. All have ruled the occupation as illegal.
The occupation and expansion of settlements are only possible with US support, (The US only last week vetoed a UN resolution on settlements) and facilitated, until now, by the Mubarak regime.
The military, keen to continue the flow of 1.3 billion in "aid" money will want to continue this relationship. The Egyptian population, if allowed a genuine voice in determining policy, want to end it. The question then, like all questions related to the democracy movement in Egypt is the degree to which this democratic revolution truly represents the wishes of the Egyptian people.
It must be clear to Israel by now that (as Bob dylan says) the times they are a changing in the Arab world and that the party is over in terms of Israel policy being built solely on brute force. If I were an Israeli decision maker I would be pressing for an accomodation with the changing Arab world before the walls come crashing down. That means many things but absolutely number one it means a categorical guarantee to obey the demands of international law and an immediate end to the occupation. If the US is the friend of Israel that it claims they should be telling them that the writing is on the wall for the occupation. I won't hold my breath
So in answer to your question. Given Israel's seeming inabilty to see past the use of brute force, refusal to end settlement expansion and to end the occupation and given the US' seeming inabilty or unwillingness to force them to respect international law, then yes we could indeed see an increasingly aggressive stance by Israel.
teqniq
DisMembered
elbows
Well-Known Member
Although there have been a few moves in the right direction in the last week, there is still trouble on the ground. There have been quite a few reports now of strikes being broken in a way that involves the military arresting a few people. There has been trouble at protests too, the military sometimes getting heavy handed and then acting in a conciliatory manner afterwards 'sorry it was a mistake'. And Im pretty sure I saw word on twitter the other night that a protest had been met by the old 'armed thugs' response. And thats not even including the dramatic events at security buildings in recent days which we were talking about earlier.
teqniq
DisMembered
I'm sure there's a cartoon in this headline, anyway moving on...
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