Dune - dir. Denis Villeneuve
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
well i for one am proper excited and i think it looks wicked
I've read the all several times. Dune is by far the best, but they are all entertaining in their own way.
they don't get crappy, but do change around in tone and style quite a bit. also are full of massive inconsistencies between the books where Herbert just make mistakes or changed his mind so if you're the kind of sci-fi fan that bothers be warned.
God Emperor is a weird slog if you don't get into the preachy monologues from the giant mutant worm. if you find yourself bored a couple chapters in, skip it.
and whatever you do, don't touch the stuff his son wrote with KJA of crap Star Wars tie-in fame. they're just unmitigated trash.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
If this is a massive success as a two part epic beloved by all then I can see the day when the prequels are televised, dark days ahead
Reno
The In Kraut
There already is a prequel series in the works but its not a direct adaptation of any of the books.
‘Dune’ Series Ordered at WarnerMedia Streaming Service, Denis Villeneuve to Direct
WarnerMedia's streaming service has given a straight-to-series order to the sci-fi project "Dune: The Sisterhood."
variety.com
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
It just premiered and the early reviews are in
They range from the gushing
www.theguardian.com
To the disappointed
www.indiewire.com
They range from the gushing
Dune review – blockbuster cinema at its dizzying, dazzling best
Denis Villeneuve’s slow-burn space opera fuses the arthouse and the multiplex to create an epic of otherworldly brilliance
‘Dune’ Review: Denis Villeneuve’s Epic Spice Opera Is a Massive Disappointment
Hype is the mind-killer.
www.indiewire.com
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
the majoiry do appear to be increibly positive which is good. Getting hyped!
Idaho
blah blah blah
I take that as a bad sign. If the reviews said that it was confusing, over detailed and incomprehensible, I'd be optimistic.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
And all the reviews say the previous film was bad, which is so wrong! The only bad bit was Sting.
And this film only tells half the story.
And this film only tells half the story.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
The bad bit was hardly Sting. It was the cheesy smiley Paul and his trainer riding the worms, the dreadful editing which made it seem like the film was fast forwarding itself. And the casual almost homophobic depiction of the gay characters.
Great looking in parts and Lynch is always worth a look, but the film is quite flawed.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Which were the gay characters?
In the books I wouldn't call the Baron gay.
It's more a case that he is obsessed with pleasure so would fuck anything if he thought it would be pleaaurable. Man, woman, dog, couch, Theresa May. Anything.
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Not talking about the books, haven't read them. Talking about Lynch adaptation.
This bit (yes, yes from wiki)
Film scholar Robin Wood called Dune "the most obscenely homophobic film I have ever seen"[28]—referring to a scene in which Baron Harkonnen sexually assaults and kills a young man by bleeding him to death—charging it with "managing to associate with homosexuality in a single scene physical grossness, moral depravity, violence and disease."[28] Gay writer Dennis Altman suggested that the film showed how "AIDS references began penetrating popular culture" in the 1980s, asking, "Was it just an accident that in the film Dune the homosexual villain had suppurating sores on his face?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
The Barons character is one of a sadist, a glutton, a pederast, a megalomaniac who does everything to gross excess.
It's not that he's evil cause he gay. It's that everything he does is done in an evil way. If he was straight he do it in an evil way, if he was Christian he'd do it in an evil way, if he made a cup of tea he'd... you get the point.
Being a pederast was probably seen as the worst way he could express sexuality.
Let's not forget Frank Herbert wrote about religion in a round about way. Religion and pederasts. Could there be a connection?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Again, am not talking about the books. It's about the 1984 adaptation, which (for various reasons previously mentioned) find parts of objectionable.
There was a habit of making LGBT characters wrong uns in 80s/90s Hollywood.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
The adaption closely follows the books in this part at least.
Lynch hasn't got the time to explain so he just implies. No not implies. Quickly summarises.
It's blatantly obvious to those who have read the books but I can understand how it could fly over the head of those who haven't... Who might therefore make their own assumptions and connections. Especially if they're already feeling put upon by other films.
I wouldn't call Lynch Hollywood by the way. He was always seriously off-piste.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Ugh. That first paragraph reads like one of those so-called apologies where the perpetrator sez "I'm sorry if you were offended but ..."
It hasn't flown over this head. Negative LGBT portrayals were (and often still are) notorious in Hollywood films, esp during that period. Didn't feel "put upon" but certainly was wishing for better representation.
Wouldn't call Lynch Hollywood, either. But that was a big budget studio back would-be blockbuster, which would (if it had been a smash) projected yet another shit representation of a LGBT character.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
All I'm saying is that that those reviews and your reaction give the impression of...
Oh here we go. Another director "making" a character gay to make them evil.
When it's a case of the director being given a character by the source material. This character likes to rape and torture young boys for a number of complex reasons (I haven't even gone into his relationship with the Bene Gesserite). The conundrum: How do I please the massive fan base and casual movie goers?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
All you're saying is that you don't like being given some context to your favourite film/character being not all that.
And that those of us who objected/object to negative portrayals are sensitive little souls who are making a big old fuss about nothing.
As for the details of what he likes to do for a number of comple reasons - that's the book (which haven't read) not the film.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Favourite? Lol!
Nope. Feel victimised all you want.
In this instance it's not a direct attack by a homophobic director but believe that if it makes you feel better sure. I've given you the evidence why it's not. Which you dismiss as "but I haven't read that evidence and so it doesn't exist, la la la not listening".
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
You disingenuous cunt.
Didn't say felt like a victim. Have pointed out that Hollywood has had decades of poor representation of LGBT folk, which you won't address. Instead you lie that this self believes Lynch is a homophobe.
The studio fucked the adaptation for several reasons, as mentioned earlier. Dunno if DL is a homophobe - he doesn't seem to be a wrecker of art, either.
Then again - Lynch didn't read the book. How about that.
(Now remembers why it's pointless to engage with you. )
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Just checking...
You know Spiderman climbs walls, shoots webs and has a tingling danger sense because it was so in the comic books right?
Or do you think they should have ignored the source material and given Spiderman the power of invisibility. You know, because you haven't read the books so what does it matter?
You know Spiderman climbs walls, shoots webs and has a tingling danger sense because it was so in the comic books right?
Or do you think they should have ignored the source material and given Spiderman the power of invisibility. You know, because you haven't read the books so what does it matter?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
We were not talking about decades of Hollywood*. We were talking about Dune.
* I haven't watched decades of Hollywood films for gay portrayal positive or negative. I'm prepared to take your word for it. Haven't disputed it.
I'm disputing it in Dune though. In Dune.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Fuck off Gromit
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Spiderman has been invisible.
Clown.
Didn't say he hadn't been invisible.
Said It wasnt his power.
It's her power. You see the distinction right?
I've given you a clue by using bold as you seem a bit slow.
Oh and I haven't read that one so it doesn't count even if it did. Using your argument.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
It just premiered and the early reviews are in
They range from the gushing
To the disappointedDune review – blockbuster cinema at its dizzying, dazzling best
Denis Villeneuve’s slow-burn space opera fuses the arthouse and the multiplex to create an epic of otherworldly brilliance
‘Dune’ Review: Denis Villeneuve’s Epic Spice Opera Is a Massive Disappointment
Hype is the mind-killer.
My partner holds the guardian above all others when it comes to film reviews, so a 5 star review definitely means we get to go the cinema.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
He was given the power of invisibility.
On more than one occasion. By the writers.
The writers.
And that wasn't part of the Ditko/Lee original set up.
What do you think of David Lynch not reading the Frank Herbert source material?
La la
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