PartisanDulwich
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really really grateful to Tom and Jamal
Dulwich Hamlet and Coronavirus
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really really grateful to Tom and Jamal
Here's the government statement re the review of re-admitting crowds. Doesn't say much TBH. The number of pilot events has been reduced, and the maximum crowd at any one event has been reduced to 1,000.
www.gov.uk
Sport pilots to be reduced in capacity to 1,000 people socially distanced
The government is to reduce the number of people that can attend sporting events to pilot the safe return of spectators to 1,000 in light of the increase in the number of positive coronavirus cases.
Moroccan Sunset
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Think this is a cracking idea. I'd imagine Saturday afternoon attendances would bring better crowds as well. Would be a good way to support the club if, as away fans, we're not allowed to attend away games. Surely worth doing until grounds are opened up to larger grounds?
scousedom
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The National League has written to the government to display its lack of awareness of the direction of travel.
The BBC are reporting the National League won't restart on 3/10 if, as expected, the government push back the date for fans to be allowed back into stadiums at Elite level from 1/10.
The club's/league pushing for Tier Two to be classified as Elite, to permit the play offs, seems to be backfiring badly.
The club's/league pushing for Tier Two to be classified as Elite, to permit the play offs, seems to be backfiring badly.
Stuart Fordyce
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I haven't seen us win a match since the 5-3 win over Chelmsford in February. Looks like that run is going to continue for a while!
StephenMac
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It's a good question. Presumably there might be a flight of step 2 players to step 3 in some scenarios. What a business.
Complete mess.
Just read an article from the Dover manager who said: ...[Dover] have inserted clauses in contracts this year that mean they won't pay players unless fans are watching them play..."there's players that have signed contracts but we've put in there that if the pandemic continues and football doesn't start then they are not going to get paid - other clubs have done the same too."
Sounds like some clubs at least have covered themselves.
In an interview with Southwark News Gav said our players will be paid from the day the season starts:
“Contracts would start when the season starts, because no one’s sure what’s going to happen with the pandemic and if there’s going to be a second wave. Obviously we don’t want that, but we have to go into this with our eyes open. So most clubs are probably covering themselves by only starting contracts when the season starts. "
www.southwarknews.co.uk
“Contracts would start when the season starts, because no one’s sure what’s going to happen with the pandemic and if there’s going to be a second wave. Obviously we don’t want that, but we have to go into this with our eyes open. So most clubs are probably covering themselves by only starting contracts when the season starts. "
Ex-Southend midfielder and former Millwall defender sign – Dulwich Hamlet boss discusses rebuilding work
By John KellyDulwich Hamlet boss Gavin Rose admitted it was tough letting players go after the National League South season
www.southwarknews.co.uk
StephenMac
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Hopefully that will be the case for most, if not all, National League clubs. In that scenario I can imagine players wanting to drop levels to get some income and play some football. I'm guessing that most step 3 players are non-contract so it could be carnage.
Full of sympathy for Ben, Tom and anyone else trying to figure a way forward.
Oh just spotted an article with the SLP with Ben Clasper on this topic:
londonnewsonline.co.uk
Exclusive: Dulwich Hamlet chairman: National League should have acted – we told them no fans would be allowed
Dulwich Hamlet chairman Ben Clasper has expressed his frustration at the National League’s inaction – and reckons it was always clear the campaign would not start with supporters. Cabinet min…
londonnewsonline.co.uk
StephenMac
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And then what happens if we get an away draw against lower league opposition in the Cup on the 3rd? Season will have started. Oh lord, a tricky mess.In an interview with Southwark News Gav said our players will be paid from the day the season starts:
“Contracts would start when the season starts, because no one’s sure what’s going to happen with the pandemic and if there’s going to be a second wave. Obviously we don’t want that, but we have to go into this with our eyes open. So most clubs are probably covering themselves by only starting contracts when the season starts. "
Ex-Southend midfielder and former Millwall defender sign – Dulwich Hamlet boss discusses rebuilding work
By John KellyDulwich Hamlet boss Gavin Rose admitted it was tough letting players go after the National League South season
I believe that these scenarios are covered and the risks have been mitigated.
I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that this season should not be started, certainly at National League level. I think things will only get worse during the winter months and they'll be some clubs going bust mid-season and others not able to play for weeks on end because of positive Covid tests. Just too many potential problems for me. Hibernation this season and long-term survival look increasingly attractive.
StephenMac
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I'm sure. I'm not arrogant enough to think that something that popped into my head wouldn't have been considered by people who actually know what they're doing.
TonyWalt
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So sad at the news today that fans won’t be allowed to attend football and with no provisional date given for even re considering the decision, I think you’re probably right, hibernation might be the only option. Gutted
blueheaven
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I agree. I was actually quite surprised at how early some of the other clubs at our level started signing players and selling season tickets, given the levels of uncertainty.
I might be way off here but is it not the case that even if the season was to start in early October as planned, DHFC would still be buggered because of the limit on crowds? I just wonder if hibernating the season for the year would be a better scenario than attempting to stage matches, run the club and pay players on very limited income?
If it hadn't been for this week's events and the season was able to start with fans in attendance as planned, what would have been Champion Hill's maximum capacity?
We don't know, the permitted crowds at Elite Level had not been announced. I heard from people at a couple of other clubs it was to be calculated per ground not as a flat %. Given some obvious pinch points I suspect the current ground wouldn't have fared too well in the assessment.
Aldershot, who have much more room in the ground, had stated they anticipated being able to permit 2k once fans were admitted. They also have a few issues, toilets etc
If the season does start in front of fans (looking very unlikely now) I doubt you'll be allowed to hibernate without relegation. (It's a bit different for teams outside England, due to the potential for devolved government rules hitting them.)
To be clear, if sitting out the season and being relegated was the only way to save the club, I'd support it. I just don't think sitting the season out is an easy answer.
It's worth noting the official advice in Merseyside etc is that people now should not attend sport as a spectator. That has the potential to cause a world of pain for tier three and below in the impacted parts of England.
Aldershot, who have much more room in the ground, had stated they anticipated being able to permit 2k once fans were admitted. They also have a few issues, toilets etc
If the season does start in front of fans (looking very unlikely now) I doubt you'll be allowed to hibernate without relegation. (It's a bit different for teams outside England, due to the potential for devolved government rules hitting them.)
To be clear, if sitting out the season and being relegated was the only way to save the club, I'd support it. I just don't think sitting the season out is an easy answer.
It's worth noting the official advice in Merseyside etc is that people now should not attend sport as a spectator. That has the potential to cause a world of pain for tier three and below in the impacted parts of England.
Yes, Roger, there are no easy answers on this situation. I wasn't suggesting that we hibernate if we're able to play with reasonable crowds: only if, as looks likely, no crowds will be allowed until at least March. If that is the case, I think the most reasonable thing the National League can do is to scratch the whole season for all clubs. This would take the decision out of the hands of the clubs and ensure there's no punishment for anyone. Alternatively, in the unlikely case that things improve by January, maybe a reduced league could be played either splitting the teams from each division into two groups and playing home and away or just playing each team in the whole division once.
Dan Roan BBC is reporting he believes the season will start behind closed doors on October 3rd. A statement is due shortly
If true, either they know some money is coming fron the government or the weighted voting system has led to a whole world of pain for many clubs in the North and South divisions
If true, either they know some money is coming fron the government or the weighted voting system has led to a whole world of pain for many clubs in the North and South divisions
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StephenMac
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The latter would be appalling. Guess we'll find out soon.
It looks like no go until they source funding but this statement is a shocker.
Edited to say some sources say this means the season is starting irrespective. Others that it starts if they get the money. The statement doesn't really cover that point off bizarrely.
www.thenationalleague.org.uk
Edited to say some sources say this means the season is starting irrespective. Others that it starts if they get the money. The statement doesn't really cover that point off bizarrely.
Update on Commencement of 2020/21 Season - The Vanarama National League
Following a meeting of its Board of Directors this afternoon, the following update is issued on behalf of The National League:
www.thenationalleague.org.uk
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