Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[Treacle Toes]

Not giraffe? Fourteen years with cockney in laws? They let me down.

Both.We're not fussy.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't think you need to do much research to find those exact same tropes being used against all manners of people in the exact same way.

So: you already know the answer to your own question?

I wonder whether Crenshaw might be able to identify those exact same tropes being deployed against another group.

 

[Treacle Toes]

And I thought cream puff was rhyming slang for 'huff'.

It does.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

After Security Meeting, Trump Admits Possibility of Russian Hacking

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/donald-trump-wall-hack-russia.html?_r=0

 

[CRI]

Couldn't you have worked out the meaning from the context?

This happened before - with the 'trump apologising' comment which saw you go off on one.

If you can't deduce - or even make a stab* - at someone's meaning by the context then it's no surprise you're having so much difficulty here.

*means make an attempt

I passed the original post by, as I wasn't sure what it meant. I asked after Maltin (below) also seemed unsure what the phrase meant.

Perhaps they might do some or all of those but they seem to be a response to "taking the cream puff" (whatever that is actually meant to mean) which you seem surprised that they might do.

Hey, but why pass up the opportunity to patronise me as too stupid to be part of the discussion here.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/donald-trump-wall-hack-russia.html?_r=0

The rational side of me is terrified by this baffoon. The kid in me is finding the whole farse hilarious in an anarchic kind of way. And he isn't even president yet, ffs!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I just hope that it's possible to laugh about it, a year from now.

 

[Shechemite]

I passed the original post by, as I wasn't sure what it meant. I asked after Maltin (below) also seemed unsure what the phrase meant.



Hey, but why pass up the opportunity to patronise me as too stupid to be part of the discussion here.

I'm not. I'm criticising your attitude.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The kid in me is finding the whole facade hilarious in an anarchic kind of way.

It's a bit like that little voice in your head that whispers "jump!, jump!" when you're standing on top floor of a tall building, or overlooking a canyon.

Or, maybe its what a arsonist feels when setting a fire.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

It's a bit like that little voice in your head that whispers "jump!, jump!" when you're standing on top floor of a tall building, or overlooking a canyon.

Oh god I hate that voice. Trouble is what he is.

 

[JimW]

I don't think you need to do much research to find those exact same tropes being used against all manners of people in the exact same way.

Precisely, it's the self-same tropes that underpin "scientific" racism.

 

[CRI]

I'm not. I'm criticising your attitude.

Are you the Hall Monitor? Your patronising comment about me being too stupid to be on this message board is hardly an example of a positive attitude.

Put me on ignore for fucksake.

 

[seventh bullet]

*sigh*

I didn't know you were expecting me to "offer you something," and to be honest, I don't know what you are expecting. I've tried to describe why I don't believe only a class analysis of oppression is sufficient. Although so many keep labeling me as a proponent of "identity politics" (which the way it's being used, is starting to sound like a slur, like when it used to be popular to dismiss people for being "politically correct.")

You say "class is not an identity, it's a condition." Does that mean you think say, being African American is only an identity (something you can pick and choose) and not a condition? How about disability? Gender? Is the idea that being a working class person is pretty much the same whether you are white or Black, just if you're the latter there's the extra layer of racism?

You also said, "From what I have seen of intersectionalism in practice, it's well-off and very middle-class."

No. It's origins are in the African American feminist/womanist movement and it's working class women of colour worldwide who remain the strongest proponents of it. I first came across the term when I read "Mapping the Margins" from Kimberle Williams Crenshaw over 20 years ago. Her description was an eye opener for me. It was some time after that, I was put on to writings from bell hooks. If you're genuinely interested in understanding the concept, I'd recommend "Feminist Theory - From Margins to Centre," where she describes the interplay between race, class and gender in America. There's plenty of stuff out there on the net. I'm aware that there are campaigns and movements around the world, particularly of young people, based on an understanding of intersectionality.

Going back probably 15 years ago, I used to be active in some online discussion groups that also valued this approach. Funnily enough, despite the wide range of folks involved (although it leaned towards North America just because at that time perhaps fewer people in the US had home internet) and different opinions, the dialogue was constructive, thought provoking, civil. My mistake in thinking something like that might be possible here, but hey ho.

Nobody here has a class-exclusive view of oppression, so why continue it with me this time? Also, what's with the deliberate misinterpretation of what I posted and, yet again, the implication that I am either downplaying racism or actually being so (This Does that mean? nonsense. You know very well what is meant by class and have had it explained to you numerous times over this thread). I don't think the ordering of people according to the supposed attributes of essentialised identities should be treated so flippantly.

The sixth bullet is a proletarian woman of colour from the 'global south' and she's never heard of intersectionalism. Would you like to 'whitesplain' her all about it? Maybe link to an article on an elitist and racist website because you googled 'US white working class poor suck it up.'

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Oh god I hate that voice. Trouble is what he is.

I think the Republicans are going to regret the day they elected him. Trouble is, I think the rest of us are going to regret it too.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Trump is canning all ambassadors appointed by Obama.

U.S. ambassador to Canada confirms imminent departure

 

[Shechemite]

Are you the Hall Monitor? Your patronising comment about me being too stupid to be on this message board is hardly an example of a positive attitude.

Put me on ignore for fucksake.

You're either choosing to 'misunderstand' what others are saying, or you're choosing not to work on your comprehension. You're obnoxious when people say things you don't understand (or 'don't understand') rather than making the effort to.

Case in point: where the fuck did i call you 'too stupid'?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Such a busy President-elect:

Donald Trump taunts Schwarzenegger over Celebrity Apprentice ratings

Donald Trump taunts Schwarzenegger over Celebrity Apprentice ratings - BBC News

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Such a busy President-elect:



Donald Trump taunts Schwarzenegger over Celebrity Apprentice ratings - BBC News

We've put a three-year-old in charge of the world's largest army.

(He's even less mature than W, if that's possible.)

 

[DotCommunist]

Such a busy President-elect:



Donald Trump taunts Schwarzenegger over Celebrity Apprentice ratings - BBC News

Who would win in a fight? Trump bodyslammed and shaved Vince Mcmahons head once so he is not without skills but Arnie well, he's killed the predator.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Mano a mano, Arnold would clean Trump's clock.

But Trump is about to become the Commander in Chief of the world's most powerful military - and he's been known to hold a grudge.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There's been a mass shooting at the Ft. Lauderdale airport.

Such a thing can be nothing but horrible; but please please please don't let it be terrorism.

 

[CRI]

Nobody here has a class-exclusive view of oppression, so why continue it with me this time? Also, what's with the deliberate misinterpretation of what I posted and, yet again, the implication that I am either downplaying racism or actually being so (This Does that mean? nonsense. You know very well what is meant by class and have had it explained to you numerous times over this thread). I don't think the ordering of people according to the supposed attributes of essentialised identities should be treated so flippantly.

The sixth bullet is a proletarian woman of colour from the 'global south' and she's never heard of intersectionalism. Would you like to 'whitesplain' her all about it? Maybe link to an article on an elitist and racist website because you googled 'US white working class poor suck it up.'

Look, I have no idea who you are, or who sixth bullet is.

You said, "From what I have seen of intersectionalism in practice it's well-off and very middle class."

My bad for pointing to the actual origins of the term (although the concept is much older.)

Genuinely thought you might find especially hooks writing interesting, but I wasn't forcing a book in your hand.

Whatever.

 

[Shechemite]

Arnie well, he's killed the predator.

Which in this case would bode well

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Who would win in a fight? Trump bodyslammed and shaved Vince Mcmahons head once so he is not without skills but Arnie well, he's killed the predator.

Remember when Arnie became governor of California and we all thought peak idiocracy had been reached? Simpler times.

 

[agricola]

Who would win in a fight? Trump bodyslammed and shaved Vince Mcmahons head once so he is not without skills but Arnie well, he's killed the predator.

Didn't the predator kill himself?

 

[CRI]

There's been a mass shooting at the Ft. Lauderdale airport.

Such a thing can be nothing but horrible; but please please please don't let it be terrorism.

Oh no.

Think it will depend on who did the shooting, rather than what happened whether it's called terrorism or not though.

 

[redsquirrel]

You'll like this one:

"
Because we have experienced racism from well-behaved and well-educated liberals as often as from the rednecks they despise; because we have never benefitted from the condescending and patronizing attitudes of white multiculturalists; because we recognize in the affluent liberal hatred of the white poor the same depraved social Darwinism that in less public moments is directed against us."

White Purity

This is the failure of liberal thought. A political formation such as whiteness cannot be explained by starting with an individual’s identity – the reduction of politics to the psychology of the self. The starting point will have to be the social structure and its constitutive relations, within which individuals are composed.

Bingo

 

[CRI]

Trump is canning all ambassadors appointed by Obama.

U.S. ambassador to Canada confirms imminent departure

This goes beyond churlish. I think he's only got people for 2 or 3 posts, they still have to be approved by the Senate, and it could take many months to find enough people to fill all the empty slots. And in the mean time, what the fuck happens?

 

[DotCommunist]

Didn't the predator kill himself?

only as an act of spite because he knew arnie had him

 

[CRI]

Useful resource. They'll have quite a time keeping it up, I'd imagine. Factbase.

Factba.se does not engage in news or interpretation. Instead, our goal is to make available, unedited, the entire corpus of an individual's public statements and recordings. We will locate, transcribe, index and make available this information to the public, linking directly to the originating source.

We are testing this concept right now with the President-elect, though we plan to expand to cover other world leaders and people of note.