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... and yet, as ska invita's link to the exit polling in the NY Times above shows he actually did get more non-white voters than Romney did - enough to win him the election. The rest of that article just reads as if its the same sort of "we lost because our opponent / his supporters are horrible" self-exculpating dross that is so fashionable nowadays.
That polling shows he got a higher percentage of BME voters than Romney, that doesn't necessarily mean he got a higher number of such votes.

The swing could be due to a drop in such voters for Clinton rather than an absolute increase in the numbers of such voters for Trump.
 
That polling shows he got a higher percentage of BME voters than Romney, that doesn't necessarily mean he got a higher number of such votes.

He is an open racist (while we are at it let's throw in rapist, because he is) who called Mexican immigrants rapists, posted up false memes from Stormfront about black on white murder, tried to get the Central Park Five executed in a very long and thanks to him funded racist campaign, has a long and widely documented history of racism documented by a wide variety of different sources. The fact that under these circumstances black people, HIspanic people did not turn out for Clinton is amazing. Or perhaps not so amazing.

Remember the history of the Clintons with mass incarceration, border fences, the coup in Honduras. Clinton openly bragged to white voters about sending child refugees back to Honduras. The same children who were fleeing a far-right coup she enabled.

I have spent far more time than is reasonable over the past year and a half+ thinking, talking, typing about how awful Hillary Clinton is, and how awful the orbit around here has been. I am still amazed at the situation we are in now, and I do think that only she could have brought us here.

It was hers to lose, and she lost. I think it really took a campaign in thrall to idiot groupthink to lose this election.

Her campaign was as a neoliberal bumpersticker. A rainbow flag on a Greater Manchester Police car, a Goldman Sach's donation to Teach for America or whatever variation thereof in Britain or Israel. I think that even the tiny minority of a tiny minority of people who benefit directly from initiatives like that are still resentful of it.

Who doesn't want to key the boss' car? I do, and the people who don't want to do it are the sort of people I have hated all my life. Most people think like that, it's sort of strange not to.
 
Read the Podesta e-mails. These people do not know what is happening.

Chomsky in 2010

“The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen. Every charismatic figure is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself, like McCarthy or Nixon or the evangelist preachers. If somebody comes along who is charismatic and honest this country is in real trouble because of the frustration, disillusionment, the justified anger and the absence of any coherent response. What are people supposed to think if someone says ‘I have got an answer, we have an enemy’? There it was the Jews. Here it will be the illegal immigrants and the blacks. We will be told that white males are a persecuted minority. We will be told we have to defend ourselves and the honor of the nation. Military force will be exalted. People will be beaten up. This could become an overwhelming force. And if it happens it will be more dangerous than Germany. The United States is the world power. Germany was powerful but had more powerful antagonists. I don’t think all this is very far away. If the polls are accurate it is not the Republicans but the right-wing Republicans, the crazed Republicans, who will sweep the next election.”
 
That polling shows he got a higher percentage of BME voters than Romney, that doesn't necessarily mean he got a higher number of such votes.

The swing could be due to a drop in such voters for Clinton rather than an absolute increase in the numbers of such voters for Trump.

Perhaps, though it was just exit polling and not the data from the actual election.
 
To repeat: the average American voter is nowhere near a widely-read as you. Most did not read the Podesta emails. Most did not know about mass incarceration, border fences, a coup in Honduras.

To repeat: 72% of Republicans 'still doubted' Obama's birthplace.

Your attempts at in-depth analysis of what happened and why misses the mark, imo, because like so many op-ed writers and journalists, you are unable to view the situation from the perspective of the average American voter. The average American voter did not put in the time to become as informed about the candidates as you have. Their actions were motivated by something other than rigourous intellectual analysis.
 
Read the Podesta e-mails. These people do not know what is happening.

Chomsky in 2010

I suppose then that people should be profoundly and eternally grateful that it was Trump who managed to break the Clinton machine - for all the daft comparisons to Mussolini and Hitler, he is at the end of the day a New York billionaire who has absolutely no interest in doing anything that would jeopardize his place in the sun. The conditions for creating the kind of person that Chomsky feared would have been far more favourable at the end of four years of Clinton II.
 
To repeat: the average American voter is nowhere near a widely-read as you. Most did not read the Podesta emails. Most did not know about mass incarceration, border fences, a coup in Honduras.

To repeat: 72% of Republicans 'still doubted' Obama's birthplace.

Your attempts at in-depth analysis of what happened and why misses the mark, imo, because like so many op-ed writers and journalists, you are unable to view the situation from the perspective of the average American voter. The average American voter did not put in the time to become as informed about the candidates as you have. Their actions were motivated by something other than rigourous intellectual analysis.

Revenge Of The Forgotten Class

At one small house, someone finally answered the door. Tracie St. Martin stepped out onto the porch, a 54-year-old woman with a sturdy, thick-muscled build and sun-weathered face, both of them products of her 26 years as a heavy-construction worker. St. Martin greeted the women warmly, and when they told her what they were there for she said, sure, she was considering Trump — even though she usually voted Democratic. And when they got talking, in the disjointed way of canvassers making a quick pitch, about how Trump was going to bring back the good jobs, St. Martin was visibly affected. She interrupted them, wanting to tell them about how she had, not long ago, worked a job that consisted of demolishing a big local GM plant. Her eyes welled up as she told the story and she had trouble continuing.

The canvassers gave her some materials and bade her farewell. But I doubled back a little later and visited with St. Martin in her kitchen, which she was in the midst of tidying up, with daytime TV playing in the background. Space in the kitchen was tight due to the treadmill she recently bought to help her get into better shape, which she hoped might make her less dependent on the painkillers for the severe aches she got from her physically demanding job, pills that had gotten a lot harder to obtain from her doctor amid the clampdown on prescription opioids.

St. Martin apologized, unnecessarily, for her emotions on the porch and expanded on what she had told the women from Buffalo: She was a proud member of Local 18 of the operating engineers' union, which had been urging its members to support Hillary Clinton. The union provided her health insurance and decent pay levels, and trained her for demanding work, which, just months earlier, had required her to hang off of a Pennsylvania cliff face in her dozer as part of a gas pipeline project.

She came from a staunch Democratic family and had voted for Barack Obama in 2008, before not voting in 2012 because, she said, she was away on one of her long-term jobs. She was a single mother with three grown daughters. She had experienced all manner of sexual discrimination and harassment on very male-heavy worksites over the years.

She was, in other words, as tailor-made a supporter as one could find for Clinton, a self-professed fighter for the average Jane who was running to become the first woman president.

And yet St. Martin was leaning toward Trump.

Her explanation for this was halting but vehement, spoken with pauses and in bursts. She was disappointed in Obama after having voted for him. "I don't like the Obama persona, his public appearance and demeanor," she said. "I wanted people like me to be cared about. People don't realize there's nothing without a blue-collar worker." She regretted that she did not have a deeper grasp of public affairs. "No one that's voting knows all the facts," she said. "It's a shame. They keep us so fucking busy and poor that we don't have the time."
 
To repeat: the average American voter is nowhere near a widely-read as you. Most did not read the Podesta emails. Most did not know about mass incarceration, border fences, a coup in Honduras.

To repeat: 72% of Republicans 'still doubted' Obama's birthplace.

Your attempts at in-depth analysis of what happened and why misses the mark, imo, because like so many op-ed writers and journalists, you are unable to view the situation from the perspective of the average American voter. The average American voter did not put in the time to become as informed about the candidates as you have. Their actions were motivated by something other than rigourous intellectual analysis.

You could at least credit the official Remain campaign when you copy their "but they are all thickos" theory.
 
Man some people are trying really really hard to sanitise Trumps win to being all about their politics.

Its almost as if the far left was about to sweep into power in the US before being usurped by Trump.

Yes. MAGA, let's start measuring heads
 
Left to their own devices this is going to happen again for at least another two election cycles
 
So, Trump's three adult children will be in his "Transition Team." :rolleyes:

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She knew that Bannon, Thiel, Duke etc were knocking on the door and yet she still posted that video. I am not saying that it was influential, I am sure it wasn't, but it's symptomatic of a wider culture that is very sick and very stupid.
 
Don't Agonize, Organize

The three hours I spent at the Javits Center Tuesday night, surrounded by campaign staffers and fellow surrogates for Hillary Clinton, are blurred and spotty. At a certain point it became clear something had gone horribly wrong. Celebrants' faces turned. The modeling had been incorrect. Watching the numbers in Florida, I touched my face and realized I was crying. "Can we please go home?" I said to my boyfriend. I could tell he was having trouble breathing, and I could feel my chin breaking into hives. Another woman showed me her matching hive, hidden by fresh concealer.

I hugged the women I had spent eighteen months with, laughing and plotting and spreading our love for Hillary Clinton and her message. My party dress felt tight and itchy.

By the time we'd made it over the bridge, a friend called. "It's over," she said. "I love you." I was frozen. We stopped at the diner. No one was speaking as they ate, no one in the whole place.

At home I got in the shower and began to cry even harder. My boyfriend, who had already wept, watched me as I mumbled incoherently, clutching myself. "It wasn't supposed to go this way. It was supposed to be her job. She worked her whole life for the job. It's her job."

This is a communiqué from Commandante Dunham. Signing off.
 
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I suppose then that people should be profoundly and eternally grateful that it was Trump who managed to break the Clinton machine - for all the daft comparisons to Mussolini and Hitler, he is at the end of the day a New York billionaire who has absolutely no interest in doing anything that would jeopardize his place in the sun. The conditions for creating the kind of person that Chomsky feared would have been far more favourable at the end of four years of Clinton II.


Give him time. He is an unadulterated narcissist who has demonstrated that he doesn't need nor care if he has the support of the Republican Party and considers himself a great leader of people.

That Chomsky quote J Ed posted nails it. Honestly, all this time I couldn't get past the idea of people voting for a buffoon, but it all makes sense now. He *is* charismatic, he turns everything to humor (to all sorts: locker room, redneck, Mad Men-esque) that has anger at its core, and people are fucking angry, disillusioned, frustrated and angry, and he's got the answers.
 
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Prescient comment from Justice David Souter in 2012, about the destructive effects of civic ignorance on the functioning of democracy:

I don't believe there is any problem of American politics and American life, which is more significant today, than the pervasive civic ignorance of the Constitution of the United States and the structure of government. (This response earned Souter a round of applause)

We know, with pretty reliable evidence, that two-thirds of the people of the United States do not know that we have three separate branches of government. I remember...a survey back four or five years ago in which a substantial percentage of Americans believed that the Supreme Court ... was a committee of the Congress. It didn't used to be this bad.

Starting about 1970, the teaching of "Civics" went into decline from which it has never significantly recovered... The reason I said it is the most significant problem that we've got is that I think some of the aspects of current American government that people on both sides find frustrating are in part a function...of the inability of people to understand how government can and should function. It is a product of civic ignorance.

I don't worry about our losing a republican government in the United States because I'm afraid of a foreign invasion. I don't worry about it because of a coup by the military, as has happened in some other places. What I worry about is that when problems are not addressed people will not know who is responsible, and when the problems get bad enough - as they might do for example with another serious terrorist attack, as they might do with another financial meltdown - some one person will come forward and say: "Give me total power and I will solve this problem."

That is how the Roman republic fell. Augustus became emperor not because he arrested the Roman senate. He became emperor because he promised that he would solve problems that were not being solved.

America is veering towards dictatorship, Supreme court justices and top government officials warn
 
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