Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[twentythreedom]

There's nothing funny about a narcissistic, petulant, ignorant demagogue becoming the leader of the world's largest economy and military.

There will be lols

You describe him well though

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Trump was funny at the beginning, during the primaries, when the whole idea of someone like him becoming the candidate seemed preposterous. But what's happened since, isn't very funny.

It's been demonstrated that there is a significant percentage of the US population that is susceptible to, even welcoming of, a message based on racism, hate, xenophobia. They've demonstrated that they love a bully, they think a crude pig is a real man, and they cheer when he mouths ignorant and simple-minded solutions to difficult and complex problems.

Assholes like Trump are funny when they're off somewhere where they're harmless, like hanging around Trump Tower doing outtakes for The Apprentice. When they start to come close to anything that matters, the humor wears off - especially when they're at the head of a pitchfork and torch-carrying mob.

 

[existentialist]

'Fair game'? So, people were making personal/gendered comments about Trump - and that made it okay for you to start making gendered insults? Really? Is that it, is that your excuse?

CR comes across as someone who harbours quite a deep hatred of women.

 

[bimble]

Trump was funny at the beginning, during the primaries, when the whole idea of someone like him becoming the candidate seemed preposterous. But what's happened since, isn't very funny.

Yep, I'm not laughing anymore. It's quite sobering to look at page 1 of this thread, when most people were quite sure he couldn't win the nomination, back when his hair was still a thing.

 

[existentialist]

Honestly, what is it with you and German boot boys?

German, boot wearing, and NOT GURLS.

 

[Spymaster]

Nah bollocks, there'll be a lot of pointing and laughing going on for sure, as well as some of what you describe

I think the world is pointing and laughing now. At the US electorate.

But it's now nervous laughter.

If he doesn't win, US politics are going to be considered a fucking joke for a long time.

 

[Mab]

Trump was funny at the beginning, during the primaries, when the whole idea of someone like him becoming the candidate seemed preposterous. But what's happened since, isn't very funny.

It's been demonstrated that there is a significant percentage of the US population that is susceptible to, even welcoming of, a message based on racism, hate, xenophobia. They've demonstrated that they love a bully, they think a crude pig is a real man, and they cheer when he mouths ignorant and simple-minded solutions to difficult and complex problems.

Assholes like Trump are funny when they're off somewhere where they're harmless, like hanging around Trump Tower doing outtakes for The Apprentice. When they start to come close to anything that matters, the humor wears off - especially when they're at the head of a pitchfork and torch-carrying mob.

Well said son!

 

[redsquirrel]

Wah wah what about Clinton. Name the Clinton fans on this right you fucking hyperbolic mendacious twat. .

Well TomUS is, but yes you're completely right that CR is a misogynistic wanker

 

[krtek a houby]

Trump says he's "unshackled" now. I'd call it "unhinged", myself. And still Carson, Guiliani et al are making excuses for the sexual predator. Ugh.

 

[magneze]

Is our world a simulation? Why some scientists say it's more likely than not

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...matrix?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Seemed appropriate somehow.

 

[bimble]

Election Update: Women Are Defeating Donald Trump

 

[krtek a houby]

US Election 2016: Trump's hatred for the Central Park Five - BBC News

Appalling

 

[8den]

Mike Huckabee shilling for trump uses a jaws analogy claiming Trump is Quint and Hilary is the Shark. Megyn Kelly (yes really) points out that Quint went insane, destroyed the radio and gotten eaten by the shark.

 

[Wilf]

Is our world a simulation? Why some scientists say it's more likely than not

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...matrix?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Seemed appropriate somehow.

We've already had The Man in the High Castle on this thread and there's an appeal to reading the trump thing as a Philip K Dick or other dystopian novel - 'it can't happen here', well maybe it can. Same time, the madness of this situation isn't unique, we've had demagogues before, people who make a virtue of breaking every rule in the political play book in terms of their campaigns.

I think the better way into this comes via, if not quite in agreement with, JC3's post at the top of the page. Yes, there's undoubtedly racism in this and there's an unhealthy attempt to recreate an America that never existed. But the question as always is 'why', why and how did this come about? Why are people so alienated, so pissed off that Hilary Clinton has struggled to beat Donald Fucking Trump? Even when it comes to billionaire sex offenders he still at the bizarre end of the spectrum. It's alienation and it's also material conditions about jobs and uncertainty amid neoliberal globalisation. And the real issue: why are the left unable to do anything, to thrive and run with those issues - why has the absurd right in the form of Trump done it? Some of these forces were obviously in play with brexit, a mixture of some explicitly xenophobic and even racist strands, along with a probably healthy and entirely rational feelings that governments and elites have fucked working class people over. No, obviously the working class won't gain from trump, to say the least - and probably not from brexit - but in a sense there's still a feeling that a vote for trump/brexit is rational - at some level. That sounds provocative, because a vote for trump is clearly counter productive, but it does at least follow from real experiences and grievances.

[sorry magneze that wasn't aimed at you, I just tacked it onto your post. Started off as a quick Philip K Dick post and then I went a bit 'stream of conscience'. ]

 

[phildwyer]

They're saying both ..as they usually do . They're fucking idiots . Simply not idiots hellbent on starting a war . Trump keeps stating the USA and Russia should be cooperating . Particularly in the fight against IS . That alone makes him much less of an idiot compared to Clinton. Much less dangerous . But still an idiot who's potentially dangerous. Just much less dangerous .
The shackles are off him now, he doesn't give a fuck about the republicans any more and he's going after the Sanders vote . Hopefully we'll hear more of that stuff .

Yep. A smart Trump would make a sharp Left turn now, and begin attacking HRC using just the kind of argument you've been using here. If he were to do that he could still win this.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's such a beast as a smart Trump.

 

[DotCommunist]

I bet you he's already chosen the stonemasons to add him into Mt Rushmore

put in an order for several tonnes of orange paint

 

[Wilf]

put in an order for several tonnes of orange paint

Need this for the top coat:
Gold Sparkle | Yellow & Orange Paint | Craig & Rose

 

[petee]

And the real issue: why are the left unable to do anything, to thrive and run with those issues - why has the absurd right in the form of Trump done it?

because the people you describe here think in nationalist/patriotic terms, which is how trump and the right think too, and the left is demonized for not doing that enough. and they shouldn't, in principle. so how are you going to appeal electorally, when the first test, the one that always works, is do you love america enough? yes you have to address material circumstances but perhaps before that you have to address the jingoism.

United States Senate election in Georgia, 2002 - Wikipedia
Max Cleland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

 

[Wilf]

There's a piece here defending Hilary against claims she intimidated the women Bill allegedly assaulted:
Did Hillary Clinton intimidate Bill's accusers? Let's look at the evidence | Jill Abramson
Is the piece convincing? A genuine question - I don't know the strength of the evidence against Hilary on this (though I'm aware the claims against her have appeared at different points since bill's impeachment process).

 

[two sheds]

There's a piece here defending Hilary against claims she intimidated the women Bill allegedly assaulted:
Did Hillary Clinton intimidate Bill's accusers? Let's look at the evidence | Jill Abramson
Is the piece convincing? A genuine question - I don't know the strength of the evidence against Hilary on this (though I'm aware the claims against her have appeared at different points since bill's impeachment process).

Interesting. Casually Red is the man for a balanced point-by-point and carefully referenced refutation of that I think.

 

[8den]

There's a piece here defending Hilary against claims she intimidated the women Bill allegedly assaulted:
Did Hillary Clinton intimidate Bill's accusers? Let's look at the evidence | Jill Abramson
Is the piece convincing? A genuine question - I don't know the strength of the evidence against Hilary on this (though I'm aware the claims against her have appeared at different points since bill's impeachment process).

Yes. Everything about the Hilary rape stuff is bollocks.

 

[Wilf]

Interesting. Casually Red is the man for a balanced point-by-point and carefully referenced refutation of that I think.

Yes, I did wonder about looking in the mirror and naming him thrice. In the end discretion prevailed, I dashed out of the pentagram and he remained un-summoned.

 

[DotCommunist]

he's not what one might call an unbiased or sane source being a frothng fucking lunatic. Any refutation of said article would require someone who doesn't so closely have the mental stability of Hess

 

[two sheds]

Yes he's the nearest we've got though

And it could be a test

 

[two sheds]

I can't normally get Radio 4 but just caught someone on I think Woman's Hour saying that people like Trump are likely to actually believe that a woman is responsible for her husband's infidelities, which is why he's pushing it. Fair point I thought, I'd just assumed it was to have a go.

 

[8den]

Yes he's the nearest we've got though

And it could be a test

 

[Wilf]

Reason I asked was I can remember plenty of media stories about bill's affairs in the 1990s (as opposed to the actual abuse stories) - the 'bimbo eruption' . A key issue was that Hillary forgave him personally, but more to the point there was an agreement between them about keeping the situation under control - indeed that this had long been in place, in order to get him into the presidency and then, crucially, herself. Not surprisingly, the reporting was highly gendered, Hilary as 'Lady MacBeth' etc.

So far, an everyday story of a power hungry couple, one of whom was risking the whole 'project' with his sexual behaviour. Hilary certainly played a role in managing that process and the affairs, but did she go further and discredit the women who he is accused of abusing?

 

[Idris2002]

he's not what one might call an unbiased or sane source being a frothng fucking lunatic. Any refutation of said article would require someone who doesn't so closely have the mental stability of Hess

 

[Wilf]

Given the likely result, that's a bit like a Man City fan getting a massive Joe Hart tattoo whilst the lad was booking his flight to Turin.