gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I randomly put RLB as second choice and Nandy as third - so am I forgiven ?
Did you vote for Starmer?
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
He means he doesn’t get a vote in the affiliates section. I’m not a member of Labour, but I get a vote via my union membership political fund
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Yes, and helped out on his campaign.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I get that, but I don't get the suggestion that he is "protected from voting", which is not quite the same as "unable to vote in the affiliated section because i am not a member of a trade union which has an affiliated political fund".
i am a member of a union but not of an affiliated political fund, and I still voted!
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
speaking of which, what the f is happening with the Lib Dems these days?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Keirb crawler
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Keir'b your enthusiasm
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Starmer Troopers
Proper Tidy
Arsed
The devil whispered in my ear 'you're not strong enough to withstand the starmer' I whispered back...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
starm und drang
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I think they are both OK.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Why though? I mean why be so motivated to rejoin to make sure labour shift to right
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Because I'd quite like to see a government in England and Wales that isn't Tory in my lifetime and I watched my parents give about 25 years or their lives (and my childhood) to working for a revolution that never came. Why do you want to keep the Torys in power so much, just to stay pure, or do you still genuinely believe we could see any other kind of alternative ?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Because they're a liberal prick. I mean look at the list of people that said Yes to this poll
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
And your a vintage knob who cares more about ideology than improving the lives of working people. See, easy to make sweeping statements based on no knowledge isn’t it.
Anyway the enterists has two goes. They were lacklustre in the first and completely fucked up the second. So time to move over and let someone else have a go.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Your folks were militant weren't they? Not sure a comparison between the tendency and the parliamentary social democracy of corbyn etc is a fair or accurate one. Also as I've said before, the reaction to 19 has resulted in people forgetting the lessons of 17. Labour can win on a (parliamentary) left platform, tbh I see little evidence it stands any better chance on the sort of platform starmer will build. Got twatted in 15 didn't they
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I'm not a entriest you silly prick, I'm not a member of the LP and never would be because I'm a socialist. And it's precisely because I do care about the lives of working class people that I'm not a LP member. You're part the pricks that spent years supporting a party that attacking working class communities and are now organising for a return to those attacks.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Also 'lacklustre' in 2017 is the sort of historical revisionism that a born trotskyist should be culturally averse to
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Depressing, isn't it. It'll be the Blair era all over again.
Things can only get Starmer...
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No, I’m someone who moved on from sixth form debating society politics and actual grew up and realised bosses never give anything you have to work to take it by making improvements. You’re one of those cunts who belive its better to keep your groupsical cult pure than roll up your sleeves and get to work. Besides I’m about as illliberal as they come.
Anyway, you lot have had from at least 1871 and have completely failed to deliver. So it’s a good job us revisionists were here or kids would still be being sent up chimneys whilst you argued about selling papers.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Of course you that's why you've opposed a move to the left by the LP, why you've voted for a liberal cunt why you want to LP to move back to the centre ground.
I mean if you are going to argue that the LP need to make compromises to get into power OK but then don't pretend that you aren't arguing against socialism that you aren't arguing for a neo-liberal party. It's truly pathetic to see people claim to be socialists when pushing for the LP to move to right.
Look who've you aligned with Reeves, Philips. Look at the names that voted for Starmer long term ideological liberals.
I mean if you are going to argue that the LP need to make compromises to get into power OK but then don't pretend that you aren't arguing against socialism that you aren't arguing for a neo-liberal party. It's truly pathetic to see people claim to be socialists when pushing for the LP to move to right.
Look who've you aligned with Reeves, Philips. Look at the names that voted for Starmer long term ideological liberals.
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I'm an all-or-something kind of person, I know what I'd like, but I'm prepared to live with less than that if the alternative is lots of stuff I really don't want.
If I was feeling combative I'd say that's the difference between a grown-up who - through a process of choosing their battles and negotiation - gets to have some control over their life, and a stroppy teenager whining about how unfair everything is while sulking in their bedroom all day to the great sadness of absolutely no one.
But I'm not feeling combative, I'm sat in the swing seat in my sunny garden while dinner cooks in the BBQ.
If I was feeling combative I'd say that's the difference between a grown-up who - through a process of choosing their battles and negotiation - gets to have some control over their life, and a stroppy teenager whining about how unfair everything is while sulking in their bedroom all day to the great sadness of absolutely no one.
But I'm not feeling combative, I'm sat in the swing seat in my sunny garden while dinner cooks in the BBQ.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Did you mean: don’t pretend that you aren’t arguing against socialism?
I didn’t understand. Would look right at home in 7 font in some poor quality printed pamphlet arguing the rights and wrongs of a strike that took place in 1956.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Centerist and right wing politics is all the rage these last few years. How can socialism be made appealing to the majority?
I know there are plenty of activist doing good work and the passion, though sorely tested, has not diminished.
But it's a hard sell, isn't it? You'd think that after a decade of austerity and Tory misrule and misery that it would be easier to persuade folks to embrace socialism...
I know there are plenty of activist doing good work and the passion, though sorely tested, has not diminished.
But it's a hard sell, isn't it? You'd think that after a decade of austerity and Tory misrule and misery that it would be easier to persuade folks to embrace socialism...
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I am feeling combative as I’m sitting in my home office trying to get some urgent work done for Monday...
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Thing is fellas the argument that incremental progress is better than transformational change that never happens would hold more water if we hadn't been going backwards in terms of social protection and labour power for forty years, a big chunk of which was under a labour govt (a labour govt)
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yes, see edit.
Fine but don't pretend that supporting a LP that is backing an attack on people via austerity but not supporting a LP that challenged austerity doesn't say something about your politics. Let's be real, you are well to the right of the centre of gravity of the LP both at present and past. I mean contrast your views of Blair, MacDonald with the majority of current members.
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