'deprogramming'
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editor
hiraethified
(interview starts)
DrJ: "Welcome to urban75 radio, Mr Loop O'Fruit. What would you like to talk about?
Mr Loop O'Fruit: I am here to tell you that the WTC was destroyed by invisible missiles fired from invisible pods and then blown up from within by invisible explosives invisibly installed by invisible operatives.
DrJ: "That's right!"
<half hour of fact-free bonkersness follows>
(interview ends)
DrJ: "Welcome to urban75 radio, Mr Loop O'Fruit. What would you like to talk about?
Mr Loop O'Fruit: I am here to tell you that the WTC was destroyed by invisible missiles fired from invisible pods and then blown up from within by invisible explosives invisibly installed by invisible operatives.
DrJ: "That's right!"
<half hour of fact-free bonkersness follows>
(interview ends)
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Couldn't there be a Q&A session on the forums after the show is broadcast or something? Let the supposed crazies have their say, then let everyone squash their arguments..? I think the idea is interesting enough, no great fan of 'conspiraloons' myself, but sometimes even the most outlandish rant can have a grain of truth.
But still... I've never listened to the radio station, because I have no speakers, so what do I know?
But still... I've never listened to the radio station, because I have no speakers, so what do I know?
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
editor said:
no relation, however distant, of mine, I hasten to add
BTW: I would still welcome Dr Js response to my post re Bill Still--after all, anti-semitism, even coded, is no laughing/trivial matter....
Or has Dr J not actually read Sutton's books? Indeed, has Dr J ever read any books??
editor
hiraethified
I have no interest - and I mean no interest - in urban75 being associated with propagating unchallenged conspiracy theories.neilh said:
In fact, I'd be happy if the site had nothing to do with conspiracy theories full stop, because all we've ever seen here is a never-ending stream of ill-researched garbage regurgitated from woefully uncritical sites (see MOSSAD thread in bin for prime example).
That's my opinion. I'm fed up with the likes of DrJ coat-tailing off the hard-earned popularity of this site to push an endless succession of laughable conspiracy theories and an unchallenged conspiraloon'o'cast from DrJ would be the limit (why do you think he's finding it so easy to find people to step forward?)
However, I don't have control over the radio station's output, but I do have input in what goes out under the aegis of urban75. If I feel it is unrepresentative, exploitative and likely to cause me - as the recognised 'head' of the site - embarrassment and distress, then I will voice my opinion very loudly indeed.
That's my prerogative, no? After all, I've had to make a lot of decisions in the past which have helped shape the (possibly) unique community we have here, and if I think something is wrong and inappropriate for the site, then I feel I have a right to be heard and hopefully respected on the matter.
Right now, I think DrJ's idea of uncritical 'party political broadcasts' on subjects like 9/11 and vaccines is a very bad one indeed for urban75 overall.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Er, that's not quite true, is it?DrJazzz said:
Yes, we spoke about your making some programmes for urban75 radio, and in detail about one particular show (not the Bill Still one), and I thought that yes it could be very good.
But only if the programmes have some structure rather than the entirely open/no questions/just a free platform proposal you had, and most importantly - as I said to you - if there is someone else there to ask the questions that you won't. It would be very poor programming indeed to let the controversial views of your guests go unchallenged.
Edited to add: And were urban75radio to put out a show with unchallenged fruitloopery, urban75 would automatically be associated with it and I think editor is well within his rights to say no way to that.
BB: "I for one would love to hear Bill Still 'cross examined' by you, editor."
editor: "I've got far, far, far better things to do with my time, thanks."
...
DrJazzz: "I thought you had 'better things to do with your time' than cross-examine the likes of Bill Still?"
editor "That doesn't make sense."
DrJazzz: "But you just said exactly that a few posts ago!"
editor: "Actually, I haven't mentioned the King Fruitloop we both know I'm talking about."
Of course I deny that of any the approaches I have made! Where on earth did you get that from? The pitch I have made was that outlined in the title post, and that I have some familiarity with the material and their viewpoint. In the case of Bill Still, I am still waiting for his DVD to arrive, and he doesn't want to be interviewed by me until I have seen it.
editor: "I've got far, far, far better things to do with my time, thanks."
...
DrJazzz: "I thought you had 'better things to do with your time' than cross-examine the likes of Bill Still?"
editor "That doesn't make sense."
DrJazzz: "But you just said exactly that a few posts ago!"
editor: "Actually, I haven't mentioned the King Fruitloop we both know I'm talking about."
Of course I deny that of any the approaches I have made! Where on earth did you get that from? The pitch I have made was that outlined in the title post, and that I have some familiarity with the material and their viewpoint. In the case of Bill Still, I am still waiting for his DVD to arrive, and he doesn't want to be interviewed by me until I have seen it.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
DrJazzz said:
In which case, how come, without sight of his DVD (even) have you
1) 'confirmed' him as a guest already.
2) stated he is of a "high calibre".
This isn't even poor research, it's Fantasy Island: you didn't use to work for World in Action did you??
Mation said:
yes, the Bill Still one was the first, you invited me to put a programme together on that very issue (money and banking) and I had the impression that other programmes would be fine too.
I didn't hear ANYONE objecting when I posted about this series in YOUR OWN THREAD here
I consider you have made an about turn. I really can't see the problem here. And I have already gone to quite some trouble to get good guests to make these shows.
editor
hiraethified
And I've gone to even more trouble to build this site up into a credible medium.DrJazzz said:
Still, those involved with the radio programming will just have to have a vote on whether your challenge-free 9/11/vaccine/AIDS "interviews" are appropriate for the radio station or not.
Oh, and if there is - as Larry suggests - a strong anti-Semitic central message being delivered by Bill Still, I'll be fucked if I want it anywhere near urban75.
I can assure you there won't be any anti-semitism on the show.Larry O'Hara said:no relation, however distant, of mine, I hasten to add
BTW: I would still welcome Dr Js response to my post re Bill Still--after all, anti-semitism, even coded, is no laughing/trivial matter....
Or has Dr J not actually read Sutton's books? Indeed, has Dr J ever read any books??
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I haven't made anything of an about turn.DrJazzz said:
I didn't invite you to make the programme. You suggested a programme on money and banking and I said yep, that could be really good! That was before we talked about how the programme would actually work though. As your ideas stand, I don't think it would be good at all.
well what on earth is wrong with that programme? I'm sure I'd mentioned to you that I had the interview lined up, in fact I did so on the other thread in this forum too and nobody batted an eyelid! and editor has already said he has 'far better things to do with his time' than appear on it...
I've invited people to put their questions here so I can present them.
I've had nothing but encouragement from all, until it turns out I might land a very high profile guest.
I've invited people to put their questions here so I can present them.
I've had nothing but encouragement from all, until it turns out I might land a very high profile guest.
exactly. Thank you for confirming that.Here's where I posted exactly the same as here, on your own thread Mation
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3185981&highlight=deprogramming#post3185981
No-one expressed any misgivings. So I've gone and made my pitches, and maybe netted some guests. Where's the problem?
shouldn't you be glad too that someone is seeking to make some programmes?
editor
hiraethified
And does that post mention anything about 9/11, AIDS, vaccines, government cover-ups or the name of your 'special guest' who must not be challenged? Like fuck it does. You tried to pull a fast one and got caught out because you know I'd have something to say about a 9/11 program being proposed (hence my immediate reaction in this thread).DrJazzz said:
Why don't you reveal the name of your 'special guest' and see how people react to your pre-determined edict that he can not be challenged during the interview?
I think people's opinions may sway considerably when they realise who it is you're proposing to give a challenge-unhindered free party political broadcast to.
Well if you insist, I'll allow you some time to have your say in the programme and maybe interview my guests too for a bit. I intend to interview sympathetically to allow guests to make their case, that doesn't mean I'm going to be obsequious, or allow them to go off on whatever tangent they desire.
Absolutely nowhere have I made any 'edicts' that say I'm not going to challenge my guests!
Absolutely nowhere have I made any 'edicts' that say I'm not going to challenge my guests!
editor
hiraethified
And, once again, you failed to make any mention of unchallenged guests banging on about 9/11, vaccines, AIDs etc etc.DrJazzz said:
Funny that, isn't it?
As I recall, plenty of folks here have expressed the opinion that your singular thoughts about vaccines have ranged from stupid, ill informed to downright dangerous.
Maybe that's why you omitted to mention it and just said that your show would be about "the money system and banking"?
editor
hiraethified
Don't try and misrepresent me. You made it clear that you did not want your 'special guest' to be interviewed by anyone other then yourself and - as has been made abundantly clear over the years - you are singularly incapable of challenging evidence-free theories.DrJazzz said:
It's not surprising that you've found guests willing to take part on those terms.
Xanadu said:
If it were to happen, better it reflect the content of postings here (not the length of cut'n'paste!). 5 minutes of cut'n'paste, followed by 25 of careful dismantling.
Edited to add: this post is not to be misread as support for the idea: it's an illustration of why the radio isn't the right medium.
The other reason it's not the right medium is that if anything does get onto u75 radio, then I can guarantee that bits will be sliced out by conspiraloons and circulated as if they're a u75 endorsement of them. (Starts thinking about a laugh track...)