girasol
Addicted to handstands!
If such a child/teenager exists, and I'm sure they do, but are the exception rather than the rule, they should be running along towards a career in software development!
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If such a child/teenager exists, and I'm sure they do, but are the exception rather than the rule, they should be running along towards a career in software development!
Pingu
Credo
practically, if you REALLY want to, and alredy have physical access to a machine obtaining admin rights is really quite easy. there are loads of tools and websites showing how to do it out there.
I agree that your average teenager who casually wants to look at some norks wont bother but its much easier than you think to gain admin rights or change system values using vunlerability privilege escalation or altering stored credentials etc. hash cracking for unattend.xml* for example - unless you hash the passwords they can often be stored in plain text, if it is hashed its in base64 which can be decoded without too much grief.
*granted not so comon in a home set up - but the principle stands
I agree that your average teenager who casually wants to look at some norks wont bother but its much easier than you think to gain admin rights or change system values using vunlerability privilege escalation or altering stored credentials etc. hash cracking for unattend.xml* for example - unless you hash the passwords they can often be stored in plain text, if it is hashed its in base64 which can be decoded without too much grief.
*granted not so comon in a home set up - but the principle stands
Pingu
Credo
i am guessing here but i reckon the majority of those claiming to be "anonymous" have to be back home and in bed by 10:30...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Not from my experience of them they're not... I think tbh that's the impression that is circulated it's all just a bunch of kids doing it for larks... certainly that may have been how it's started but not now.i am guessing here but i reckon the majority of those claiming to be "anonymous" have to be back home and in bed by 10:30...
There's an Anon film we are legion about the different camps within anon including some of the more prominent members....
http://wearelegionthedocumentary.com/ available via itunes or other sources (tbh if possible you should steal it, it's what they'd have wanted...)
I love how the old prejudices are still very much alive though...
the yoots are too lazy to bother... and sure they aren't all going to be zukerberg etc but think where most of the innovative net/tech developments have come from it's not from the older generation suddenly thinking I know let's do this, it's been from the yoot and how they use and misuse the tech.
magneze
🎧
It's not easy. That's the point. Don't mistake your own skills as average.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
to be honest the linux would worry me more than the porn
magneze
🎧
HPUX, that's the one to worry about. Very masochistic.
abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
Just based on experience, one of the "adult content" social networks sites I am on, got blacklisted at a local coffee shop (Panera) when I was still up north. I got one of those "Warning!" pages, but instead of asking me if I still want to proceed, it said that the site is blocked and I cannot proceed. However, I tried going to another "adult content" site, and I was able to poke around with no problem. However, a completely different site (really for 13+) was blocked about a week later....
I think there has to be certain key words or phrases or something, to make places block sites.
e2a: Having found the screencap I took of the warning, the filtering service used is called SonicWALL and the site I got blocked from is labeled as Forbidden Category "Adult/Mature Content"
I think there has to be certain key words or phrases or something, to make places block sites.
e2a: Having found the screencap I took of the warning, the filtering service used is called SonicWALL and the site I got blocked from is labeled as Forbidden Category "Adult/Mature Content"
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
block hacking sites. Control all information. I forget the original question, but i've made some up to prove my point. Which I have also forgotten too.
1. Could starbucks stop the majority of porn in their coffeeshops? Yes. Easily.
2. Is people viewing porn in starbucks a problem then? Probably not. People tend to look at porn to aid masturbation. It is likely they would feel a bit conscious masturbating in starbucks.
3. Should censorship be managed centrally by the government? NO.
4. Or the internet providers? NO.
5. But they should offer it if I don't want in my house or the coffeeshop I own? Yes. They could do this. Easily. See point 1.
6. But won't teenagers be able to get past it? In some cases, yes. But then booze, cigarettes, porn and fireworks were all illegal for me to purchase when I was teenager. All of which I managed to obtain.
7. But I really don't want my kids to view unsafe material, what do I do? Speak to your internet service provider? If they do not offer that, install filtering software on your computer or filter the DNS lookups your computer or router can do. As per the instructions here: https://store.opendns.com/setup/
8. Why should I have to do this, surely governments be able to control what people are able to view and stop things I don't want my kids to see? See 3. But remember, they are your kids and your responsibility. If you brought children in to the world you are responsible for looking after that child. If that means educating yourself into the possible dangers that kids face in order to protect that kid, then it's now part of the job description. Get reading.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You already had herpes, foggers!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
...their intestines ripped from their stomachs and left dangling around their knees?
Cool!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Having parents who could tell Linux from Windoze would worry most people more than the grot!
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
How do you protect kids from being exposed if they have parents who can't be bothered or have no idea? Or if they have no one who cares? This is a serious question, I'm not trying to score points or anything. I really do care about this.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
As I said earlier, make it the onus of ISPs to offer this. "would you like filtering with your service". Some already offer this. Also a sad fact of life there are going to be kids with parents that don't care. Mechanisms are in place for assisting such families, in the way of social services. Of course sadly they are not perfect, but that is not the point. As soon as you start putting censorship in the hands of governments or corporations you will start running into problems. It may also not be in the interest of governments to start heavily censoring the internet (many already do already, including the UK government), but to really restrict what their citizens do is a dangerous precedent for the health of any regime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cute_cat_theory_of_digital_activism
I have alot of experience with internet filtering solutions, they are not perfect, but they do what instruct them do, you have tobe pragmatic about what you set out to control from the outset. This takes a risk based approach. When I design such systems, I am looking at protecting an organisation, primarily from security threats. This means malware gets blocked first and foremost, ost of these systems work on a category based approach thereafter. Webmail is general blocked, as is file upload and peer sharing sites, because an organisation has to consider data leakage prevention. Porn is blocked most of the time, but not for pure security reasons, but because it's a risk to organisations because HR may need to get involved in cases involving employees viewing porn.
Of course because of this knowledge I have, (i have it listed on my cv that I am quite good at the internetz and everything) I may be somewhat conceited about the ease of setting up such filtering systems, but I really feel this a service ISPs should offer to those that want it only and it needs to be implemented in a careful and thought through way that considers proper usage scenarios.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
people who use linux also have sex?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pingu
Credo
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
*cough, israelis, cough *
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
I disagree. Filtering the internet costs money. It should be an additional thing that ISPs should offer. An ISP should be just that, you pay for a connection to the internet. If you need that family safety package then it should be bolted on on top of your package, of course, it could be bolted on by default and you as the end user have the culbability of deselecting that, but that's not to say that even those non technical people with kids won't select that because it makes the package cheaper (and ISPs will charge for it because it has a cost), meaning that the most disadvantaged kids will still potentially see unwelcome content. Just the same as they will potentially see a bad home life, or go without in other respects. You cannot protect everyone but you must also allow people to make their own choices. Imagine, if you went to an off license but you were only allowed to buy a certain amount because you might have kids at home and it was down to you to prove you didn't.
I believe the option should be offered to those that want it, but enforcement by legislation or even just simple procedure sets a dangerous precendent for internet freedom.
I believe the option should be offered to those that want it, but enforcement by legislation or even just simple procedure sets a dangerous precendent for internet freedom.
Mark Miller
New Member
I am new to the forums but here's my two cents. Kids should be monitored for it's not just about porn but cyberbullying as well. For those who say that kids also need privacy or they are going to watch porn anyway, there is the case of the unfortunate Amanda Todd. I watch who my son is talking to on Facebook using an app called Qustodio that allows me to view the profile pictures of accounts that he engages with. Such monitoring is for their own good. Qustodio is a nice app. Just Google for it. So it goes beyond just the hardcore stuff. It's also about the fact that some stranger might be blackmailing your kids and filtering does help in keeping kids safe.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
And it's great that you do and far better that you are monitoring what they are doing than the government wouldn't you say. But what happens when they are a bit older? Serious question, they are entitled to some privacy?
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Ah well, the government is going to enforce the censoring by ISPs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...meron-orders-sites-blocked-automatically.html
May I recommend the Green Dam Youth Escort, it works for China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...meron-orders-sites-blocked-automatically.html
May I recommend the Green Dam Youth Escort, it works for China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
My main issue with that is that I find myself quoting what Cameron says from the DM, and thinking he's done the right thing for once.
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
I was defining it in a sarky way.
Never mind the fact that the software was actually stolen from an American company's product called cyber sitter.
Never mind the fact that the software was actually stolen from an American company's product called cyber sitter.
Reg Bailey Head of the Mothers Union.
Security through Obscurity won't work and never has.If there's one thing children have in common its inquisitiveness,if one finds a way around censorship they'll all know.I'm afraid for parents the only answer is a full and frank discussion about what's on the 'tinternet and why some of it is "bad".Filtering shit is like a red rag to a bull as far as children are concerned.
I went through a period during the early tinternet days of looking at gruesome stuff I soon got sick of it,there's only so many times you can look at Elvis' post mortem and find it interesting.
Security through Obscurity won't work and never has.If there's one thing children have in common its inquisitiveness,if one finds a way around censorship they'll all know.I'm afraid for parents the only answer is a full and frank discussion about what's on the 'tinternet and why some of it is "bad".Filtering shit is like a red rag to a bull as far as children are concerned.
I went through a period during the early tinternet days of looking at gruesome stuff I soon got sick of it,there's only so many times you can look at Elvis' post mortem and find it interesting.
souljacker
innit
Surely this all needs to be done at router level? I want to look at filth (and other 'adult content' sites) but I don't want my kids looking at it.
Most, if not all, modern home routers have a built in firewall. I'd rather pay for a content filtering module to be included so that I can block porn to my kids PC's/tablets/phones whilst keeping it open for me. I'm surprised router makers don't offer it, seeing as its an extra revenue stream for them.
Most, if not all, modern home routers have a built in firewall. I'd rather pay for a content filtering module to be included so that I can block porn to my kids PC's/tablets/phones whilst keeping it open for me. I'm surprised router makers don't offer it, seeing as its an extra revenue stream for them.
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