David Cameron urges internet firms to block child abuse images
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Not if you consider opting in as being equally difficult for non technical people. Why should they have their internet censored because other people want their internet censored?yeah, it was probably me, I mentioned that we use open DNS. It means we, the parents, can't look at pron either, but that's fine, not interested, seen it all(well, not all, but enough to satisfy my curiosity) The thing with opting out, as I mentioned, what if parents aren't computer literate? I think people call for opt in because that just seems safer.
It could be easy. When you sign up for an ISP there is a check box, do you want to opt out of dangerous sites? or even a picture of two girls one cup with the caption, "do you want your kids to see this?"
Doesn't open DNS provide a filter overide so you can bypass the dns blocking with an admin password? Or even just have less strict controls for certain devices?
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
anyone capable of looking for porn on the interwebz should be capable of 'opting in', surely? (In answer to your question, we have two levels of security, one is user based, on the desktop, these can easily be set on a per user basis), but from what I've used of openDNS it's a the router level? So it applies to ALL the devices connected to that router.
This is what we have, if any other parents reading this are interested:
http://www.howtogeek.com/79998/protect-your-kids-online-using-open-dns-2/
This is what we have, if any other parents reading this are interested:
http://www.howtogeek.com/79998/protect-your-kids-online-using-open-dns-2/
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
"Excuse me sir would you like to opt in for the perv package?"
How would you sell it?
It's easier to market the opt out and ultimately make the controls more effective.
How would you sell it?
It's easier to market the opt out and ultimately make the controls more effective.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Opt in to view sites with adult content, simples!
If the people looking at porn think of themselves as 'pervs' then so be it
Also, over 18 content (or 15) isn't just about porn, or sex!
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
not sure how the opt-in makes it more difficult for kids to see porn except on family computers of non computer literates who also don't watch porn.
that's a small percentage.
i wonder how much additional sex education stuff the set up fees could buy
that's a small percentage.
i wonder how much additional sex education stuff the set up fees could buy
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
On the plus side it might educate a whole generation of young people about how to use proxies.
Mark Miller
New Member
Well, per se, I am not against necessary and sensible filtering. Kids should definitely be monitored and harmful content filtered. For those who say that kids also need privacy, there is the case of the unfortunate Amanda Todd. I watch who my son is talking to on Facebook using a free app called Qustodio that allows me to view the profile pictures of accounts that he engages with. Such monitoring is for their own good. Qustodio is a nice app. Just Google for it.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Is there any way that I can stop my kids looking at pictures of tinned chopped pork and ham, Mark? Would your app help?
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Once kids get to that level of knowledge they will hopefully been educated on the pitfalls of certain types of porn, porn addiction and so on? It's like an arms race this! But once again, just because *some* kids will find a way around, it's no reason not to try to protect them.
I have had quite a few talks with my son on the subject I hope some of it has sunk in. Sure, I can't stop him from seeing stuff outside our house, but I can keep an eye on what he's doing here (he's 14 now). Like I said before it's not just about pornography. there's violence, drug use. Kids are impressionable! I still find it a bit crazy that my son's parents buy their kids Call of Duty, it's an 18... The classification exists for a good reason. These are the same parents who are happy for their kids to stay indoors all the time, in fact the games are encouraging them to stay indoors.
A couple of years ago we realised he knew about proxies. But the DNS filtering seems to be holding now as every now and then he asks us to let him look at something, usually some cheat video for minecraft.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Probably because they monitor internet use. U75 is the most viewed site in my company. Luckily, I'm the one that checks the weblogs
I'd be fucked if they knew how much time I waste on here
Have you ever posted on the naked thread?
magneze
🎧
These all require admin/root don't they? So how would they do that?
DNS filtering should go on the router too, not the computer.
Pingu
Credo
you can still tell the PC to use staticluy assigned dns, ip etc which would bypass the dns servers assigned via dhcp.
or they could just go to one of the many website where you can do a nslookup and obtain the ip address of the site that way which bypasses dns completely
magneze
🎧
Not without admin/root access you can't.
You can also block the nslookup websites. Many websites do not work with just IP either.
Yeah, it's a continual fight (maybe the wrong word) but it's actually pretty easy to block all but the most determined. Which is entirely the point and why it's actually worth doing rather than just not bothering and assuming that all children are l33t h@x0rz.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
GiffGaff already have this, people have to opt in (not saying their filtering is any good but it's a start, they are getting lots of complaints the other way, from people who trying to opt in but still being restricted)
On their 'phone settings' page there's an option to
Allow Adult Content on Phone
The default is NOT to allow adult content on the phone.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
fogbat
The Talibum
I installed Qustodio and it gave me herpes.
Herpes, Mark Miller! Qustodio gives you herpes.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
ipsos custodes
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Yeah, you have to give them a passport/driving licence number to remove the block. And then the stupid tool to automatically unblock doesn't work (it actually has a note saying so much) so you go to put the details into their form to request a manual unblock and that's also broken. So with a bit of shame you send an email to another department who send you back around in a circle again.
So you give up and just go on images.google.com and search for some smut with safesearch off - which works. Or fire up a $2 VPN - which is a little slower but works. Or spend 5 minutes looking for a tumblr or something that hasn't been blocked. Or go on ebay and look for nude postcards or whatever. It's not hard - it just makes things a little difficult.
I'm actually going to leave GG for my dongle if they don't sort this shortly.
Pingu
Credo
of course you can.
for example
urban75.net is 178.250.73.49 (according to http://centralops.net/co/) or they could get the ip address from any of their friends with lless savvy mums/dads
assuming multiple headers are not an issue you can then put this directly into a web browser and bypass any dns completly.
yes for host file editing and ip settings you would need admin rights but given physical access to a machine rights escalation isnt that hard to achieve.
i agree though that your average 5 year old may struggle to do this.. your average 13 year old however is a comppletly differnet bowl of molluscs
Pingu
Credo
arms race, that's what it feels like
yep and the little bastards get sneakier and sneakier with every passing IT lesson in school...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
no it didn't .xxx is only a relatively new thing (sunrise started on 7 September 2011) and is being prompted (forcibly eviction in some cases) by fundamentalist Christian groups (principally the wonderfully sexist Concern Group for Women) in the states who are also pushing for the entire TLD to then be filtered at a national level... Which interestingly is precisely what India has done since the TDL came into use.
more info on it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.xxx
What you're thinking of is the infamous sex.com battle for ownership where a UK site ran on the domain for years and a US site then poached it illegally but then sued successfully the english site... leading to the Prior ownership rules we have at ICCAN today... (owned originally pop fact fans by the guy who set up and runs match.com... )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex.com
Web filtering of all kinds is the preserve or fascists, dictators and the highest magnitude of bastards...
It is simply no longer acceptable to not understand how the internet works, and if you don't then the old adage is the best 'best to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than open it and prove it...'
Every single one of these preening peacocks who attempt to censor the internet in this fashion will end up with their just deserts...
besides what with the walled garden tablet/facebook/google/m$/apple/Amazon conglomerate which is happening anyway there'll be no need for it...
the internets traffic is largely centred around a few sites these days... as these walled garden systems like apples puritanical outlook to things shows it's very easy to have a successful business model for content delivery which entirely limits the end users access or even owner ship of content...
there simply just won't be an app for that... at all... jail broken or otherwise...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
freind of mines kids got their school to install firefox on their machines for 'security reasons' but really it was cos one of them had a tool bar which turned their facebook/bebo in to an excell type spread sheet so it looked like they were working but were really browsing away...
yep and the little bastards get sneakier and sneakier with every passing IT lesson in school...
traditionally an arms race is where 2 comparable powers compete, I genuinely don't believe this is the case with the younger generation to the older one now...
sure we might know how to hack and freak and make the computers but to program them and by pass them and understand how these systems are used in the real world rather than as intended... nope we're already dinosaurs...
magneze
🎧
Bollocks
Pingu
Credo
sorry but you are wrong.
@garf i agree. I im in IT and have in the past been a security consultant (both looking at IDS and performing pen tests/security assesments). i wouldnt even begin to attempt it these days. the sheer number of tools and scripts available is staggering.
magneze
🎧
I see, so how are you suggesting that they get admin rights again? Using the magic of physical access? What, boot into Linux and set up alternative DNS on that with root permission maybe?
*parent comes into room*
"Why are you running Linux?"
Practically speaking what you're saying is bollocks. I can't see any teenager trying THAT hard. Technically it's possible - practically, nah.
*parent comes into room*
"Why are you running Linux?"
Practically speaking what you're saying is bollocks. I can't see any teenager trying THAT hard. Technically it's possible - practically, nah.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Yeah, I'm in IT too and I struggle to keep up with the pace! Shame kids are determined to look at stuff they shouldn't, but that's children/teenagers for you. I've never met people who grew up too quickly who don't regret it though, so it's up to parents to try and pass that message.
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