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Critiquing Oasis

Voley said:
They're one of the biggest bands of the 90s that obviously still mean a lot to people. It'll probably be the last chance people get to see them. People are prepared to pay for that. It's really not that difficult to understand.
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last chance to see them :hmm:

are they suddenly going to forget they can pull in millions anytime they want to stop arguing like twat and put another tour together

fuck me AC-DC , Iron maiden and the rolling stones are still doing it after 50 years

not the last tour for these two
 
I'd be surprised. It's taken what - 15 years? - for them to let bygones be bygones.

There's a part of me that wonders if they'll get to the American leg of the tour before they're at each other's throats tbh.
 
I would imagine they'll be making sure not to be seen together in public till the 'gigs' to keep up the aura of conflict and maintain the perceived value of the tickets.
 
might as well seeming as they nothing to assist the fans who been rinsed by Ticketmaster latest diabolical scheme

how is that not been broken up yet.. monopoly over the industry..

we over charging you to start with but other mug are willing to be pay more so we passed the cost onto you

:hmm:
 
skyscraper101 said:
Can’t reach those high notes any more.
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Any more?? 😂

The only high notes Liam ever reached were the ones he rolled up in the toilets for his marching powder.

Vocally, he's no Harry Bellafonte. But that glorious car alarm whine has its place it's the industrial soundscape of the North, in the same way as a screening seagull drive-bombing the addled of Piccadilly Gardens, or a fast tram doing a sharp corner on a cold day.
 
he kind of did used to hit high notes pretty hard... and even in that recent video although he's not hitting them hard he is at least aware of that and pulls back to stay in tune, rather than just bellowing flat like lots of singers do.
 
lhaven't listend to them in 20 years but since the reuninon have enjoyed revisiting. i think if there was anything that made them good back then it was a kidn of "flow state". just a sort of coherent expression of where and who they were.
think he is purposely singing out of tune on this one.?
 
on reflection too all the comments about them being louts and thugs and shameful to the working class misses the mark completely. I don't think they were toxic at all. I don't they came across as thick or shameful. I think they were just running with something that to them must have been teh most excitign feeling in the world. IF it was middle clas kids sniffing coke and trashign the odd hotel room it would be seen as ironic or somethig. What, were they supposed to not take drugs, not swear , not swagger about like they were on the top of the world (when they were), to fit into what other people think they should be as "representatives of teh working class"?

their later ugly incantations though are of course worthy of criticism. but i like and enjoy the aesthetics of mid 90s Oasis. there definitely was something authentic and entertaining about them.
 
rutabowa said:
sounds exactly in tune to me there (1st verse and chorus anyway, unless it goes off later)

he is singing a harmony on the chorus, the other guy is singing the main melody... but both totally in tune and not strained or unpleasant.

I wont be happy if I start liking oasis because of this thread.
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I was never a massive fan myself. But looking back at some of this old stuff... yeh they were quite good. And Liam could fucking sing. That's a voice.
 
BigMoaner said:
on reflection too all the comments about them being louts and thugs and shameful to the working class misses the mark completely. I don't think they were toxic at all. I don't they came across as thick or shameful. I think they were just running with something that to them must have been teh most excitign feeling in the world. IF it was middle clas kids sniffing coke and trashign the odd hotel room it would be seen as ironic or somethig. What, were they supposed to not take drugs, not swear , not swagger about like they were on the top of the world (when they were), to fit into what other people think they should be as "representatives of teh working class"?

their later ugly incantations though are of course worthy of criticism. but i like and enjoy the aesthetics of mid 90s Oasis. there definitely was something authentic and entertaining about them.
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After a decent start, they fell into cos-playing willfully ignorant, boorish, stereotypical "lads" with the dull, derivative music to match.
About as rebellious as every other pissed up gobshite in the pool room.
 
I'd find them even more obnoxious if they were middle-class hoorays, tbh. Alex James certainly did his fair share of coke and treated his girlfriends like shit.

Agreed Oasis were at their peak in the mid-'90s when they were still new and exciting.
 
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enough oasis from me but this song and this performance reminded me of somethign. it reminds me of a coke rush around about when you've done the first gram and move on to the second. that sort of thumpy rhythem argh

 
BigMoaner said:
enough oasis from me but this song and this performance reminded me of somethign. it reminds me of a coke rush around about when you've done the first gram and move on to the second. that sort of thumpy rhythem argh

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Columbia has a slight shoegaze element to it, and perhaps a bit of Death in Vegas. That they didn't continue on that theme is a shame.
 
BigMoaner said:
enough oasis from me but this song and this performance reminded me of somethign. it reminds me of a coke rush around about when you've done the first gram and move on to the second. that sort of thumpy rhythem argh

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I’ve been rewatching this. I will say it just once. It’s fucking awesome. Listen with proper speakers. Captivating arrogant flow state or something.
 
I thought there was some doubt around the authorship of ‘Colombia’ i.e. it was actually written by the Real People whose studio/gear etc Oasis were using at the time as it was early in their career and they weren’t big and famous yet - sure I heard that somewhere, might explain why they never really wrote anything like it in the following years. But then neither did the RP. So… still it’s an oddity in their canon of work.
 
marshall said:
I thought there was some doubt around the authorship of ‘Colombia’ i.e. it was actually written by the Real People whose studio/gear etc Oasis were using at the time as it was early in their career and they weren’t big and famous yet - sure I heard that somewhere, might explain why they never really wrote anything like it in the following years. But then neither did the RP. So… still it’s an oddity in their canon of work.
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Just reading Wiki, it says it was one of the first Oasis songs written, and that Liam had some input into it.
 
stavros said:
Just reading Wiki, it says it was one of the first Oasis songs written, and that Liam had some input into it.
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Sounds like a proper jam, from Tony McCarroll's book:

'It was our second week in Bootle. We had that comfortably thing already and we just knew we could produce something good here. Liam was frustrated, though. He wanted to write a song. One of our earlier rehearsals had developed into 'Columbia', a simple instrumental that needed finishing but we still rolled it out live. Liam sang melody quietly to himself while Chris Griffiths plucked away on his acoustic.

Liam suddenly raised his voice: 'There we were. Now here we are. All this confusion. Nothing's the same to me.' Chris Griffiths asked Liam to repeat this line over and over, then joined in, in a higher pitch, with, 'But I can't tell you the way I feel because the way I feel is oh so new to me.'

Crash, Bang, Wallop. Oasis and The Real People collided. It sounded bang-on, and in the next couple of hours it was completed. Chris threw in a few 'yeah, yeah, yeahs' as his Liverpudlian marker and Liam pleaded his Mancunian 'C'Mon, c'mon, c'mon' and we had another new song. We headed back to Tony Griffiths and Noel and sang the new melody and lyrics to them. We told him that Chris had come up with it. Noel looked proper chuffed and was immediately repeating the melody. Liam then proudly told Noel he was involved in the writing as well. Noel's smile seemed to vanish as quick as the light after the flick of the switch.'
 
BigMoaner said:
enough oasis from me but this song and this performance reminded me of somethign. it reminds me of a coke rush around about when you've done the first gram and move on to the second. that sort of thumpy rhythem argh
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Probably not a coincidence tbf.

It is one of my favourites of theirs though.

marshall said:
I thought there was some doubt around the authorship of ‘Colombia’ i.e. it was actually written by the Real People whose studio/gear etc Oasis were using at the time as it was early in their career and they weren’t big and famous yet - sure I heard that somewhere, might explain why they never really wrote anything like it in the following years. But then neither did the RP. So… still it’s an oddity in their canon of work.
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It also has that trademark 'baggy' skippity hi-hat beat which no other Oasis tracks do. Oasis' version of it is absolute bare bones though, stripping out all the funk and movement to make a dance beat you can't dance to. I do think Tony McCarroll suited them perfectly though, Alan White who replaced him was probably a bit too good for the band he was in IYSWIM. Everything in an Oasis tune needs to be as simple and brainless as possible for the whole thing to work. As soon as they started adding backwards guitars and bongos and shit it was all over for them really.
 
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