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I honestly don't get the attitude of some people. There's no symmetry.

Camp 1. Posters who do not work (through choice or otherwise). Therefore reduced income = little disposable income
Camp 2. Posters who work. Therefore higher income = more disposable income

That's all well and good. However, it seems fair game for Camp 1 to criticise Camp 2 for spending their disposable income. This includes cocktail bars.

If Camp 2 were to criticise Camp 1 for not doing the same there'd be uproar
Way to miss the point completely. As usual. :facepalm:
 
You elmpp are a bit stupid aren't you. I think there are 2 camps, one has some interest in things beyond their personal convenience the other doesn't give a shit.
I'd agree that there are two camps. Those who believe in a one size fits all arguments Two Camps theory and ...
 
Of course it's a giant spectrum ranging from hugely affluent through to breadline but the constant divisive derision of those further up the spectrum predicates this 'camp' mentality
 
I think the division between rich and poor in London existed long before any conversations on here began....and if the divisive derision is from anywhere it is from the rich looking down.

I find it hard to defend, and not be angry about, one of the most unequal cities in the western world becoming even more unequal.
 
Of course it's a giant spectrum ranging from hugely affluent through to breadline but the constant divisive derision of those further up the spectrum predicates this 'camp' mentality
Aha. So you were just trying to help by shouting what looked like "lazy benefits scroungers stop whinging you're just jealous" at people who are expressing unhappiness about what they see happening to that row of shops on CHL? Ok.

In the interests of disclosure/ honesty: I'm sure it doesn't look that way seeing as I'm constantly posting on here during work hours but I get paid far more than I ought to for the bits of work that I manage to squeeze in between. This means that, compared to most of my neighbours here in Coldharbour Ward, I'm totally loaded, and could afford to attend themed cocktail night at the shrub if I chose to etc. So fwiw my negative feelings about what I see happening are not coming from bitterness at not being able to afford to join in the party myself. Just saying.
 
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I honestly don't get the attitude of some people. There's no symmetry.

Camp 1. Posters who do not work (through choice or otherwise). Therefore reduced income = little disposable income
Camp 2. Posters who work. Therefore higher income = more disposable income

That's all well and good. However, it seems fair game for Camp 1 to criticise Camp 2 for spending their disposable income. This includes cocktail bars.

If Camp 2 were to criticise Camp 1 for not doing the same there'd be uproar

Vile post.

Not only completely untrue, but ably demonstrating your Thatcherite tendencies.

Ugh.
 
don't think i ever said anything about society being anything but unjust.

My point is that it is low for those who choose not to work to point at people at do for enjoying the proceeds of their work having meals, cocktails or decent haircuts
 
don't think i ever said anything about society being anything but unjust.

My point is that it is low for those who choose not to work to point at people at do for enjoying the proceeds of their work having a meals, cocktails or decent haircuts, for example

I really don't think that has happened here at all. It's not about people enjoying their wages.

Some people with jobs earn very little and work just as hard. Not everyone gets a great wage. Some people who earn very little choose to spend their very little on meals, cocktails and decent haircuts.

I think there are a number of issues being 'debated' here, but 'are people allowed to spend their wages on what they want?' is not one of them.
 
I really don't think that has happened here at all. It's not about people enjoying their wages.

Some people with jobs earn very little and work just as hard. Not everyone gets a great wage. Some people who earn very little choose to spend their very little on meals, cocktails and decent haircuts.

I think there are a number of issues being 'debated' here, but 'are people allowed to spend their wages on what they want?' is not one of them.

I understand that the discussion here is more to do with general changes to the area etc and that in itself can be unsettling.

I'm probably conflating sentiments cross-thread, just riles when the usual moans of cocktail bars and price comparisons gets started up
 
Of course it's a giant spectrum ranging from hugely affluent through to breadline but the constant divisive derision of those further up the spectrum predicates this 'camp' mentality
In my day "camp" meant Kenneth Williams. Just shows how things have gone downhill.
 
don't think i ever said anything about society being anything but unjust.

My point is that it is low for those who choose not to work to point at people at do for enjoying the proceeds of their work having meals, cocktails or decent haircuts
Have you ever been on holiday somewhere like Morocco?
That is what it's getting like here.
 
I understand that the discussion here is more to do with general changes to the area etc and that in itself can be unsettling.

I'm probably conflating sentiments cross-thread, just riles when the usual moans of cocktail bars and price comparisons gets started up

Rushy explains on the "Arches" thread why nu-business like cocktail bars are a sore point.........

That is generally how open market value is assessed, to be fair. By looking at the most recent leases. The older the lease generally the bigger the disconnect with the current market values.
 
Anyhoo, a brand new barbers opened on CHL just last week (top end just next to Ackee Tree cabs).
Found this very Kool Flyer from them this morning:
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Talking of the Ackee Tree cab place - the owner of 316 Coldharbour repeatedly demanded I object to their planning permission, and said he had, what they were doing was illegal etc etc.

I can't see they do any harm can you? Basically a bunch of pensioners and near pensioners running a cab office. The only thing I would find to object about would be that wretched rotating flashing light - but there again the neighbours haven't complained AFAIK.

It's funny how people get fixated on issues - often for cultural reasons.
 
you spend all day ranting about people spending the proceeds of work yet do not yourself
Not sure what my employment status has got to do with this thread, but allow me to put you straight on this one: I work fucking hard in several jobs, and almost certainly work longer hours than you. The main difference is that a fair bit of the work I do is unpaid and a lot of that involves supporting the community in different ways. That's why I can't afford to swan around new restaurants every night or sup jolly £10 cocktails until my gizzards explode.
 
I think the division between rich and poor in London existed long before any conversations on here began....and if the divisive derision is from anywhere it is from the rich looking down.

I find it hard to defend, and not be angry about, one of the most unequal cities in the western world becoming even more unequal.
The division around where I live is visibly widening every week and some people don't appear to give much of a fuck about it. I do.
 
Not sure what my employment status has got to do with this thread, but allow me to put you straight on this one: I work fucking hard in several jobs, and almost certainly work longer hours than you. The main difference is that a fair bit of the work I do is unpaid and a lot of that involves supporting the community in different ways. That's why I can't afford to swan around new restaurants every night or sup jolly £10 cocktails until my gizzards explode.

There you go with the emotive "swan" and "jolly" bullshit.

The fact you choose to work unpaid does not give you the right to point fingers at those that work paid
 
Rushy explains on the "Arches" thread why nu-business like cocktail bars are a sore point.........
We've been here before but maybe bears repeating: There is no other thing I can think of (apart from maybe hairdressing?) that yields the profit (ie markup from goods bought to goods sold) as cocktails & wine by the glass. So when rents are rising very fast, cocktails / winebars are a far more viable option for a retail space than anything else. I personally don't want to live in a sea of cocktail bars and boutique salons but if that's what's happening then it's not anybody in particular's fault it's just economics.
 
There you go with the emotive "swan" and "jolly" bullshit.

The fact you choose to work unpaid does not give you the right to point fingers at those that work paid
I think you need to apologise for claiming that I don't work. Now. It was a cheap, dirty attempt at a slur (not that I judge people if they're in employment or not, but you clearly think it's way to put someone down).
 
We've been here before but maybe bears repeating: There is no other thing I can think of (apart from maybe hairdressing?) that yields the profit (ie markup from goods bought to goods sold) as cocktails & wine by the glass. So when rents are rising very fast, cocktails / winebars are a far more viable option for a retail space than anything else. I personally don't want to live in a sea of cocktail bars and boutique salons but if that's what's happening then it's not anybody in particular's fault it's just economics.
There are things planning policy could do - but by and large Lambeth, the Mayor of London etc choose no to use them.
 
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