Cocktails at Cafe Cairo 4th December. Come along!

[boohoo]

Any rebranding must have been complete pre-my arrival. No way I would have bought in Stockwell.

Landor road was definitely the wrong bit of Stockwell back then. Stockwell Park Cresent/Road was full of wealthy people in the 1970s/80s even when the streets were full of social housing, squats and derelicts.

 

[Rushy]

Landor road was definitely the wrong bit of Stockwell back then. Stockwell Park Cresent/Road was full of wealthy people in the 1970s/80s even when the streets were full of social housing, squats and derelicts.

it was certainly a dive. I remember my Mum being particularly alarmed by a "worst street in London" story shortly after I moved there

 

[boohoo]

it was certainly a dive. I remember my Mum being particularly alarmed by a "worst street in London" story shortly after I moved there

I lived by murder mile in East London And when I lived in Liverpool it was across the road from an area known as Beirut. After growing up in Brixton, I think my mum was probably not too worried about me living in these other rough places. Where I live now is probably the safest place I've lived.

 

[Winot]

it was certainly a dive. I remember my Mum being particularly alarmed by a "worst street in London" story shortly after I moved there

Did it get better after you moved out? [emoji6]

 

[Rushy]

Did it get better after you moved out? [emoji6]

I move in, I'm a gentrifier. I move out, I'm a gentrifier. Sheesh

 

[Winot]

I move in, I'm a gentrifier. I move out, I'm a gentrifier. Sheesh

You're a one-man gentrification hokey-cokey.

 

[CH1]

I lived by murder mile in East London And when I lived in Liverpool it was across the road from an area known as Beirut. After growing up in Brixton, I think my mum was probably not too worried about me living in these other rough places. Where I live now is probably the safest place I've lived.

Murder mile is in Stockwell. I have an extensive cuttings library from 1986 which prove it!

 

[boohoo]

Murder mile is in Stockwell. I have an extensive cuttings library from 1986 which prove it!

It was muggers mile when I was a kid. Murder mile was Clapton in about 2000?

 

[CH1]

It was muggers mile when I was a kid. Murder mile was Clapton in about 2000?

Seems like 1986 was a bad year - the attached files come from "Today" and the Mail on Sunday (map).

Sorry about the poor quality of the map scan - the original is perfectly legible.

It does of course raise that old Urban 75 chestnut whether Brixton is Stockwell and vice versa.

 

[boohoo]

CH1 - old maps show it as all Stockwell ward. Looks like the Stockwell strangler is on the map (the ones around Stockwell Park Road)

 

[leanderman]

Never been entirely convinced that Stockwell is a place, more a Tube station really.

 

[boohoo]

Never been entirely convinced that Stockwell is a place, more a Tube station really.

Stockwell existed before Brixton. Stockwell had a manor house (Moat Place marks the spot). The lords of the manor were buried in St Mary's Lambeth. The manor moved to different site (I think it was the one on the skateboard park) and Elizabeth 1 visited it. The oldest building in Stockwell are the churches, the Queens head and the houses by the YMCA which are about 1786 . These belonged to a Mr Robertson who intended the land (probably around Stockwell Park) to become a botanical gardens - his will was contested and Lambeth's kew never happened. Newspapers write about a duel being fought on Stockwell Green in 1801 - all of this pre-Brixton - the Causeway is the main point of interest as a site of robbery.

 

[Tricky Skills]

Never been entirely convinced that Stockwell is a place, more a Tube station really.

Stockwell is a way of life

 

[friendofdorothy]

I lived around there for two years and no one called it Stockwell that I recall. Always Clapham North.

When I lived next to Kennington Park lots of people said I lived 'in Oval' and they weren't right either.

Clapham North and Oval are tube stations not areas

 

[friendofdorothy]

Loved Cafe Cairo - where ever it is. Can we have another meet there next year please.

 

[Onket]

Clapham North and Oval are tube stations not areas

That was exactly my point.

 

[Onket]

Loved Cafe Cairo - where ever it is. Can we have another meet there next year please.

I will do my best to get to the next one too.

 

[Rushy]

Clapham North and Oval are tube stations not areas

Of course you are absolutely correct to adhere to the official boundaries as defined by the appropriate authorities. What the locals call the area they live in is both an irrelevance and a distraction. Subversion even.

 

[friendofdorothy]

Of course you are absolutely correct to adhere to the official boundaries as defined by the appropriate authorities. What the locals call the area they live in is both an irrelevance and a distraction. Subversion even.

in out, shake it all about...

 

[boohoo]

The Stockwell ghost is 1772 - wasn't the Clapham or Brixton ghost.

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