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Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.

As I said on the other thread, this inquiry should not be judged on the questions being asked now (though I should point out that "tepid questions" or not, they have managed to make Blair and his arguments appear even more absurd than he does normally), it should be judged on what conclusions they come to.

The above quote makes the point clear.

But lets take a more general look as well, its not just Blair, but all of those who voted to invade Iraq, and not just those in Parliament, B.N.L.P. and Conservative M.P.s, but also the Party branches.

The Members of the British New Labour party [B.N.L.P.], who were members prior to 1997 when the 'New entity' was announced, are also the ones responsible for the finishing of the old party.
There was little rebellion in the 'new party', against the decision for invasion of another country, lets not pretend that they did not know that large numbers of the population would be killed, especially the children, women and the old, all civilians.
In fact almost all who died in the first year were civilians, as the Iraq army had disbanded.

A demonstration is taking place at the moment outside the building, but where can we ask are the representatives of the 'B.N.L.P.s branches, where are their banners ?
Why are they all hiding in the darkness ?
The demonstrators say Blair has blood on his hands, but don't the branch members also bear a responsibility, are not their hands also covered in blood ?
The B.N.L.P. councillors in town and city councils all over the country ?
And the same for the Conservatives.

We now again have elections coming, local and national, and again we have a crop of the 'loonie left', [it was the last generation of loonie lefts that helped found the new labour party.] this time they are proposing standing candidates for the General election, and in constituencies where they don't have a candidate, they propose calling for a 'labour vote'.

So why in any constituency where they do stand a candidate should any vote for them, why not just vote B.N.L.P. ?

To call for a 'labour' vote in such constituencies is to 'endorse' the party as if its a genuine working class party, they may as well endorse the Conservative and Lib Dems as well.

A question of concern for all electors, '' is the candidate capable of being an M.P. ? ''

It costs money to register a candidate for a general election, but not for local elections, so why not stand even more people in the local elections and by pass the general election, except for any outstanding candidate ?
And when working in the wards, call upon the local 'New Labour Party branches to break free and constitute themselves as separate and autonomous entities.
With a longer term view of becoming founding elements of a new working class party.
It may not happen during the election process, but if the B.N.L.P. lose, then the party is mainly finished, it will have enormous debts, the less people campaign for them, the more it will cost.
But the election period will provide a sound basis for intervention, for time to call for the branches to change their position, if 'new labour' lose, many branches will fold anyway.
So really, its up to the more rational based groups, those who want to stand candidates in a serious manner, to use the election for training new councilors, if elected, in opposition to the loonies, who are just again attempting to lead the working class in the wrong direction.
They may just as well lead the workers down the garden path to play with the fairies.
 
Seems that over lunch someone told him to keep it short, answer the question and stop show-boating.

That's astounding, considering he arrived two hours early, so they could all work out the 'script' for the day.
Hopefully someone will 'reveal' what took place in that two hours prior to start.

I don't think its so much as 'showboating' as that he's re-read all the old documents and is simply repeating all the old propaganda, but time has passed.

Trouble with the flat earth theory, it doesn't allow for time, its two dimensional.
 
so the only unexpected problems were (1) a lack of a functioning iraqi civil service and (2) al qaeda (or "aq" as blair put it) and iran's influence....
 
Has he been asked about his statement in early 2003 that Saddam could stay in power if he gave up his WMD, and how that can be squared with the whole "if we had done nothing Saddam would still be in power" argument he keeps making?
 
I only watched about half an hour of the mornings questionning but I thought Blair looked a bit under pressure, he looked more nervous than I remember him usually looking.
 
The Chilcot panel are fucking hopeless.

I've seen Beauty pagent contestants get more of a grilling.

Which - of course - is exaclty why these muppets were chosen.
 
The Chilcot panel are fucking hopeless.

I've seen Beauty pagent contestants get more of a grilling.

Which - of course - is exaclty why these muppets were chosen.

Oh I don't know, I watched about half an hour of Blair questionning and the two protagonists were doing quite well, they covered quite an area and got Blair talking well.

I am not such a fan of this make a statement and then ask if it was true line of questionning which they seemed to do quite a bit. I prefer a direct and open question ....

What do I know!!
 
Oh I don't know, I watched about half an hour of Blair questionning and the two protagonists were doing quite well, they covered quite an area and got Blair talking well.

I am not such a fan of this make a statement and then ask if it was true line of questionning which they seemed to do quite a bit. I prefer a direct and open question ....

What do I know!!

Fucking nothing.
 
The Chilcot panel are fucking hopeless.

I've seen Beauty pagent contestants get more of a grilling.

Which - of course - is exaclty why these muppets were chosen.

I think the proof of whether or not Chilcot has been a success will have to wait until the final report - I mean, for all the criticism of the questioning, they did get Blair to talk himself into some demonstrably absurd corners. The discussion about pre-war planning was especially revealing in this regard, as was the "2010 question" that Blair introduced.

For all that we would have liked to see a reenactment of A Few Good Men, sometimes its best to let a guilty man talk.
 
It is a bit strange that he said he had no regrets.

I mean what about a small regret at the number of civilians that were killed, it would not have hurt him to have expressed some regret at that. Seems pretty merciless not to have any regrets.
 
What do you think is going to be in the final report, Agricola? what are your best and worst scenarios?

That we went to war based on a demonstrably wrong (or better yet, false) premise, that the people in charge were incompetent, that it went against all legal advice, that the planning (at almost every level) that took part was either useless, or irrelevant, or incompetent, and that changes desperately need to be made to prevent one person's "firm belief" from overriding reality.

I would say that, based on Blair's testimony today, they should be able to do that.
 
I think they should have interrogated his neck with a magnum.

It is a bit strange that he said he had no regrets.

I've never seen anyone so arrogant about invading another country, with the exception of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. What's more disgusting is how these people claim to be people of faith. Are we then to think that Blair's priest has told him: go with piece, my son, you are a good man? WTF!!!
 
OK.

Lets imagine that your scenario happens (I don't think it will really).

what then?

A slap on the wrist? Bad Blair?
 
I've never seen anyone so arrogant about invading another country, with the exception of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. What's more disgusting is how these people claim to be people of faith. Are we then to think that Blair's priest has told him: go with piece, my son, you are a good man? WTF!!!

I didn't see all of his evidence, did he once indicate regret of any kind at the loss of life? (on all sides).
 
I didn't see all of his evidence, did he once indicate regret of any kind at the loss of life? (on all sides).

he was arrogant all along, except for the very beginning. his hands were shaking when he was opening the bottle of water. he came to the hearing with his body guard. he was probably expecting eggs/custard to be chucked at him in the first 5 min. he made comments about iran too, saying how dangerous this country is. he should join american neo-cons, idiot.
 
Newsnight.

His Fern Britton moment (featured) expresses his real motives for going to war.

Then there was his bunkum on 9/11. Why an attack on Iraq as a result of 9/11? A lot of if's in his statements on this.

Reading a biography of Blair some years ago two things stand out - a good actor at Oxford and someone wanting to be on a stage, any stage.

I would hazard a guess that Blair, despite his acting skills and statements to the contrary, has very deep regrets.
 
So, Gordon Brown has been in front of the Chillcott enquiry today.

he has apparently said:

1) The decision to go into Iraq was right and taken for the right reasons.

2) The budget for defence was never restricted, the army was never denied anything they requested!

Does anyone believe him?
 
Lord Guthrie has claimed Brown did not tell the truth in front of the Chillcott enquiry.

Specifically he does not agree that no demands from the Army were turned down.

The defence secretary has said that Guthrie has issues with Gordon Brown.
 
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