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Greening and Grieve have said they'd leave/Go Tiggers! in the case of no deal. Sounds more like inner party Brexit pressure for the moment, but is also a form of words that acts as an 'I told you so' if they do ultimately leave. Two senior Tories ready to resign if May fails to change Brexit direction
Seems to me that both Greening & Grieve have pretty much confirmed they'll be staying put; if their condition for jumping ship is a tory government actively pursuing/implementing a 'no-deal' Brexit, then they're not going anywhere.
 
Seems to me that both Greening & Grieve have pretty much confirmed they'll be staying put; if their condition for jumping ship is a tory government actively pursuing/implementing a 'no-deal' Brexit, then they're not going anywhere.
That was my reading too, though in saying that they allow themselves to vote how they want on every and any issue over the next few weeks (though to be honest, every MP in the House is pretty much in that position now).
 
I've googled about Berger a bit further, and it's unclear at best if she had a police escort at the Liverpool conference. What I do know is that that would not be enough to satisfy the person who brought this one to my attention.
 
I've googled about Berger a bit further, and it's unclear at best if she had a police escort at the Liverpool conference. What I do know is that that would not be enough to satisfy the person who brought this one to my attention.
are they a 'bring me the head of luciana berger' sort?
 
I've googled about Berger a bit further, and it's unclear at best if she had a police escort at the Liverpool conference. What I do know is that that would not be enough to satisfy the person who brought this one to my attention.

Berger has actually been targeted though hasn't she, by some far right nutjob? Given what happened to Jo Cox it wouldn't be a surprise if she did have personal security, I wouldn't be surprised if lots did.
 
Berger has actually been targeted though hasn't she, by some far right nutjob? Given what happened to Jo Cox it wouldn't be a surprise if she did have personal security, I wouldn't be surprised if lots did.
If we're thinking of the same case, said nutjob got a stretch in the hoosegow for his behaviour.
 
Berger has actually been targeted though hasn't she, by some far right nutjob? Given what happened to Jo Cox it wouldn't be a surprise if she did have personal security, I wouldn't be surprised if lots did.

Yes. And some of it is truly vile. What we don't know is how much is from LP members/supporters and the left archipelago around Corbyn and how much is from far right scum.
 
In the guardian story about grieve and greening (firm of solicitors specialising in wills and environmental greenwash), the 3 who have left claim a third of the Tory Party would join them in the event of no deal. While that's clearly ridiculous, dishonest even, I do wonder whether the timing of the Tigger thing will hit the Tories just as much as Labour? Certainly Labour will be relieved it has happened amid Brexit and has become about both parties. If this had happened in normal times it would have been purely a 'Labour split cos of Corbyn' story.

I certainly don't discount the snap poll yesterday with this hitting Labour more in the polls. My guess is more substantial polls will show Labour has been hit more by the defections. If opinion polls have the Brexit process welded onto them, Labour have the least clarity at the moment. Tories are just about the party of Brexit, whilst the Tiggers and other centrist filth shape up as anti-Brexit. Labour, sort of... if... However I'm not suggesting there is a 'realignment' going on. Back to normal times and the impact of Tig will just be at the level of individual constituencies. Overall though, and I'm a broken record on this, underneath is the failure of Corbyn to be a bit bolder. Bolder in terms of changing the structures of the party. Bolder too in terms of getting some kind of fightback against austerity, particularly in local government. But also getting out of the mindset that Labour engages with the working class by simply getting people to join Labour (or a union).
 
Overall though, and I'm a broken record on this, underneath is the failure of Corbyn to be a bit bolder. Bolder in terms of changing the structures of the party. Bolder too in terms of getting some kind of fightback against austerity, particularly in local government. But also getting out of the mindset that Labour engages with the working class by simply getting people to join Labour (or a union).

And I'm a broken record on agreeing with you about this. Most of what's gone on in the last couple of years is people from different factions behaving as you'd expect people from those factions to. Often shit, but predictable. This failure of Corbyn's wasn't exactly unpredicted by some of his cautious-supporters as well as his opponents, but it's a big missed opportunity and one of the major frustrations since 2015.
 
Ah - thought there was some winnie the pooh reference I was missing...

Well, Tigger first turns up uninvited and unwelcome at Pooh's house, then proceeds to insist that his favourite thing is the same as the favourite thing of the character he's talking to, completely changing what that thing is as he meets each successive new character, only for it to turn out he doesn't really like any of those things at all.

You might be able to do something with that :)
 
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