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Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon

It's quite preposterous to argue that YUPPIES OUT contributed anything productive to the "debate" other than some comedy.
What they think about anything is pretty much a sideshow, but what they most certainly did do was helped kickstart the debate and get people talking about the issues.

And I'm glad they did that.
 
According to what was said at the last Brixton Society committee meeting last Thursday the council are intending to impose a planning regime on the market such that both Brixton Village/Granville Arcade AND Market Row will have to keep at least 50% of units as retail EACH. This would not include the Reliance Arcade, which is unsuitable for A3 anyway. It will therefore be the market owners/managers responsibility to stay within the required balance of retail vs food/bar uses - individual applications for individual units will no longer be required. How soon this comes in and how effective it will be is yet to be seen. I hope this is some some assistance to the discussion.
NB I don't think there is any likelihood of businesses being vetted according to how posh they are!
This is sensible. Re poshness vetting, one of the well established foodie traders did tell me that businesses had been turned away by the market managers on account of being too glam or corporate to fit. I think one was an upmarket sushi bar but not entirely sure about that.
 
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since this debated started, at the back of my mind i'm thinking, "i'd love to go in there and spend a lot on fancy cheeses". i can't afford to, but i'd love a bit of that cheese.
 
since this debated started, at the back of my mind i'm thinking, "i'd love to go in there and spend a lot on fancy cheeses". i can't afford to, but i'd love a bit of that cheese.
You can stand outside with the rest of the poor people then, gazing at the items that you can't afford.
 
since this debated started, at the back of my mind i'm thinking, "i'd love to go in there and spend a lot on fancy cheeses". i can't afford to, but i'd love a bit of that cheese.

Unless your are desperate for the branded experience and I'm sure you can source the cheese at an affordable price to buy and eat at home.
 
Unless your are desperate for the branded experience and I'm sure you can source the cheese at an affordable price to buy and eat at home.

If you know how to do this do share! I'm not so sure it'd be that easy.
 
since this debated started, at the back of my mind i'm thinking, "i'd love to go in there and spend a lot on fancy cheeses". i can't afford to, but i'd love a bit of that cheese.

So save some money for a treat. Go in and ask for a taster (you know, like everyone does at the Farmers market). Are their cheeses more expensive than the farmers market? Was the Farmers Market the beginning of gentrification? Why wasn't there more of a fuss when the second hand market disappeared back in the 2000s?
 
Why wasn't there more of a fuss when the second hand market disappeared back in the 2000s?
Different thing altogether: the second hand market slowly withered away rather than being swiftly replaced by ra-ra champagne bars and expanding upmarket chains, and was a victim of cheap clothing imports more than anything else.
 

your 'etc etc' is the potentially tricky bit. Easy to find out what the cheese is and where it comes from, but unless you travel to the place to buy it direct from the farmer, you need an intermediary.
 
your 'etc etc' is the potentially tricky bit. Easy to find out what the cheese is and where it comes from, but unless you travel to the place to buy it direct from the farmer, you need an intermediary.

Dunno, the morbier is available at Waitrose and various websites deliver it....
 
Of course not. But one action has not generated an impetus to get together and attempt to make a change.
The start of any kind of campaign is letting people know about the actual issues and getting a debate going. And the getting publicity.

I think we've made a start here.
 
Different thing altogether: the second hand market slowly withered away rather than being swiftly replaced by ra-ra champagne bars and expanding upmarket chains, and was a victim of cheap clothing imports more than anything else.

I understood that the rents kept rising which was making it hard to meet day to day running costs let alone make a living. Also some of the people moved on or passed away.

I think it was fairly swift - it had gone from being maybe ten stalls on a Saturday in the mid-1980s to maybe fifteen to eighteen stores when second hand started it's transformation to vintage/retro. It then seem to disappear over the space of one to two years in the late 90s early 2000s. That is a considerably fast exit but having hung around on the stalls, I can understand how easy it was not to sell much.

I don't think the impact of cheap clothing exports had quite been felt by that point and second hand markets are popular. Westmoreland Road market is now part of East Street market and still selling lots of crap! :D
 
I understood that the rents kept rising which was making it hard to meet day to day running costs let alone make a living. Also some of the people moved on or passed away.

I think it was fairly swift - it had gone from being maybe ten stalls on a Saturday in the mid-1980s to maybe fifteen to eighteen stores when second hand started it's transformation to vintage/retro. It then seem to disappear over the space of one to two years in the late 90s early 2000s. That is a considerably fast exit but having hung around on the stalls, I can understand how easy it was not to sell much.

I don't think the impact of cheap clothing exports had quite been felt by that point and second hand markets are popular. Westmoreland Road market is now part of East Street market and still selling lots of crap! :D
That's not as I remember it at all. A few of my friends worked those stalls and they said that it was simply a case of it becoming less popular over time (like a lot of street markets). I can certainly remember seeing it decline from a thriving market to one with little footfall - I've probably got some pictures somewhere.

And even if it was down to higher rent rises as you claim, I don't recall anyone mentioning it at the time, so it's not surprising that there was no local outcry.
 
If you know how to do this do share! I'm not so sure it'd be that easy.

To say this is a replacement for Champagne doesn't do it justice - but served cold it's dry, crisp and has plenty of bubbles.

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I can certainly remember seeing it decline from a thriving market to one with little footfall - I've probably got some pictures somewhere.

Can you do a picture post about it? It had a long history and then was gone. I use to escape to the market when I was 15 and get amazing clothes for next to nothing. :)
 
Can you do a picture post about it? It had a long history and then was gone. I use to escape to the market when I was 15 and get amazing clothes for next to nothing. :)
It'll take some digging because some of the pics are going to be pre-digital (i.e. in big boxes)!

It went through several cycles of shrinking and expanding, but at its peak (maybe around 1997?), I can remember it stretched almost up to Valentia Place.
 
It'll take some digging because some of the pics are going to be pre-digital (i.e. in big boxes)!

It went through several cycles of shrinking and expanding, but at its peak (maybe around 1997?), I can remember it stretched almost up to Valentia Place.

Pre-digital - yes please! :) I think it went further than Valentia Place some weeks. Lots of people wanted to have a pitch on a Saturday - I don't know if 1997 was it peak, it certainly was very busy in early 90s. I did a regular second hand clothes stall in Greenwich in 1992 so sometime after this - 93/94.
 
According to what was said at the last Brixton Society committee meeting last Thursday the council are intending to impose a planning regime on the market such that both Brixton Village/Granville Arcade AND Market Row will have to keep at least 50% of units as retail EACH. This would not include the Reliance Arcade, which is unsuitable for A3 anyway. It will therefore be the market owners/managers responsibility to stay within the required balance of retail vs food/bar uses - individual applications for individual units will no longer be required. How soon this comes in and how effective it will be is yet to be seen. I hope this is some some assistance to the discussion.
NB I don't think there is any likelihood of businesses being vetted according to how posh they are!

Thats good to hear. When the Council consulted on Brixton SPD I did say that they should limit any more loss of retail. I think other people did as well.
 
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