Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Maybe it just needs something a bit more than a shouty Facebook page.
Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon
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Maybe it just needs something a bit more than a shouty Facebook page.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Is this your assessment of the situation?
editor
hiraethified
Well, that would have certainly helped.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
maybe there is no longer a community in brixton, but perhaps there are several which have, on some issues, discrete interests.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
How come no-one seems to get that the whole YUPPIES OUT thing is a parody of shouty facebook pages / internet warriors?
I'd say that anyone with a serious interest in resisting the economic forces bearing on Brixton's markets would stay well away from anything promoted by them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
how come you don't seem to get that people demanding 'yuppies out' were about well before facebook became shouty, or even before facebook and the internet?
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Cash, or church often more important
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
The community is unlikely to be a homogenous group with identical interests and views.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes we've moved on now.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
I know Alleynes school in Dulwich run a coach down to Stockwell and Brixton, but that would mostly be for the well off to bus kids to somewhere posh at considerable expense, at the other extreme you have the Durand experiment where the plan is to ship the kids out of the city to a rural boarding school but that one seems to be having trouble getting off the ground despite the politicians fondness for the plans.
editor
hiraethified
A community doesn't need to be a "homogenous group with identical interests and views". Some shared interests and views is enough.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
As the urban75 community shows...
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
even then. and it's unlikely to stop a cheese shop. it might stop a Tesco from time to time
Is Alleyn posh? I've footy against their Vets. We won by double figures. They were very nice about it. Figures.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
12 grand a year fees iirc but they do scholarships for some exceptional students.
I see. Not sports, or they don't play for the old boys/Vets.
Surprising the pitch/set-up wasn't better now I know.m
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
han
love is the answer
editor said:
Precisely. It's divisive. Some people like champagne and cheese, and feel positive about the changes (not me, I hasten to add). Others are angry about rising rents and see no hope for old-skool storeholders. Others feel a mixture of all these things, and others don't give a shit.
It's only when everyone is united on one issue -(eg in the case of fighting supermarket chains in high streets in places like Hebden Bridge, for example) such a campaign can succeed. Which is why I think focussing any protest about the changing market area on C&F was misguided.
People are far more likely to unite for one thing they want to save - our historic, diverse market area. The same way people will unite to save the high st from the chains.
Focussing on this one shop was a distraction from the real issues and actually potentially damaging to any coherent campaign which could develop.
In a positive note, at least people outside Brixton are thinking about the issues now. Even if they're mocking the protest :-(
editor
hiraethified
But given the antipathy and apathy that greeted what I think is one of the biggest threats to the traditional market - the arrival of an expensive Covent Garden champagne bar, for fuck's sake - I don't hold out much hope of this 'coherent' campaign arriving any time soon.
Even you don't seem to be particularly opposed to these chains arriving, yet they're the very thing that's going to irreversibly alter the character of the locality and price out the traditional traders, and, in turn, local residents as a result of increased rents.
There's no doubting that the Yuppies Out thing was unfocussed, chaotic and hardly a great advert for coherent campaigning, but at least they got off their arses and did something - and kickstarted a much needed debate.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
FFS. I thought this had died out years ago. So instead of signs saying "No Blacks, No Irish" its done more subtly. If that is the right word for it.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
It didn't surprise me that it happens. But it surprised me that it happened in all ten agencies they tested.
boohoo
No.
Well why don't all the people passionate to keep the market diverse and shoppable for all wages start a campaign to get people to boycott the market if the owners don't keep the rents down. And to shop locally. And to know the background of shops - who are you supporting when you buy from them. Involve the traders. Campaign through action, through leaflets, through social media.
There has been a lot of grumbling on this thread, then the Yuppies Out action which a few (?) people attended and then that's it. This is not how you go about changing things.
editor
hiraethified
You don't get things changed by just telling people what they should do either.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
According to what was said at the last Brixton Society committee meeting last Thursday the council are intending to impose a planning regime on the market such that both Brixton Village/Granville Arcade AND Market Row will have to keep at least 50% of units as retail EACH. This would not include the Reliance Arcade, which is unsuitable for A3 anyway. It will therefore be the market owners/managers responsibility to stay within the required balance of retail vs food/bar uses - individual applications for individual units will no longer be required. How soon this comes in and how effective it will be is yet to be seen. I hope this is some some assistance to the discussion.
NB I don't think there is any likelihood of businesses being vetted according to how posh they are!
