Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon
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Rushy
basically a scrotum
Also the contrast between the polarising pre-protest hyperbole which a considerable number people were signing up to and the message of the far smaller number who actually turned up. There are valid messages but they get lost in the aggressive rhetoric which, although it grabs attention, makes protesters easily dismiss-able as extremists - which is the predominant view I have heard over the weekend, from people of a wide variety of political persuasions.
I agree with the comments regarding the doubtless unintended associations with Nazi slogans. I was disappointed to see this and it felt very ugly, but I also thought I may have been over-sensitive to it as my father and grandfather were both wartime Jews (non-European and in active service). I'm not one for arguing the "offence line" and felt that it was a derail to raise it at the time but, in retrospect, I'm pleased to see that others picked up on it.
It's been a lively thread, often amusing and certainly a good read but it has left a bad taste in my mouth.
ska invita
back on the other side
"Schwaben Raus" is taken from the Berlin anti-gentrifiers, who I presume are also "dismissable as extremists" in your book.
ska invita
back on the other side
whys that? tells us more...
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
People were objecting to the use of the word "holocaust", I seem to recall.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
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May I suggest a glass of Waris-Larmandier Cuvée Empreinte 2004 and a Montbéliarde tartine to wash the bad taste off your mouth?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Yes - the article says that. I don't know really know a whole lot about the German protests to be honest. Presumably you are able to presume something else about "my book" from that.
Chilavert
Undermining strikes :-(
Excuse my ignorance, but is Vice known as a right-wing magazine?
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
It's predominantly a trendy style mag AFAIK.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So, yes.
Chilavert
Undermining strikes :-(
Trendy people are right-wing then? You learn something new every day...
ska invita
back on the other side
I'm making presumptions based squarely on your posts - you found the tone of this, in my opinion mild and jokey protest "dismisable as extremist" and so did everyone you asked - in Berlin native residents are being priced out across the city as wave of party goers and artists have come in to take advantage of the once-cheap rents and are followed in by property developers and champagne bars. Local residents got sick of it and started up a campaign not aimed at the global economic forces that brought the new comers there, but as well as actively resisting evictions for increasing rents (leading to riots and burning of cars etc.) also in part acted in ways to make the new arrivals feel unwelcome, with people genuinely being threatened in a way far beyond this little episode. Judging by your posts native Berliners had a "valid message" but went about it in a way that is dismisable as extremist - far more extreme than sticking a piece of dairylea to your forehead.
more on berlin
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/berlins-war-against-gentrification
http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2012/dec/04/berlin-fights-anti-hipster-tourism-abuse
is the issue clear cut? No, but I have every sympathy with those who are angered by it and act angrily against it. The issue here is one of extreme inequality. New arrivals have a responsibility to arrive humbly and not breeze in to an area of long term historical poverty, braying about bubbling up and so on, utterly blasé about the resulting effect on their neighbours - in this Brixton case long-term stall holders in the market who will soon find themselves priced out. I find it insulting, and if others do to and react angrily then there should be no surprise.
ska invita
back on the other side
i presume these are people who own their properties - no one who rents can be happy about the fact they are about to get priced out of the area they've lived their whole life in - or maybe havent made the connection between the arrival of champagne bars and their rent going up. Either that or they're very rich in which case of course its great news.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
editor
hiraethified
You don't find Tory drivel about protesters needing to "get a job," all being "middle class from the Home Counties," and ill-informed shite about all council housing being "subsidised" utterly depressing?
How about the comment that "Brixton was built as an area for the rich – now there finally coming home"?
editor
hiraethified
Only if you believe the comments written by the wholly unrepresentative minority posting comments on an article that represents an equally unrepresentative minority of Brixton residents.
I've no doubt some long term Brixton residents are delighted to have a jolly upmarket champagne bar on their doorstep, but that doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees can be dismissed out of hand as non-residents, dole-scroungers, council house spongers or any of the other usual right wing shit that is applied to just about anyone protesting about anything from Stop The War to Gay Rights to the old Reclaim The Streets parties.
For what it's worth, I'm out in Brixton an awful lot and have talked to a lot of people about the posh Fromagerie and believe me, there is no shortage of people who aren't so delighted to see it turning up in Brixton.
Photos from the protest here:
http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2013/10/...e-in-granvile-arcade-brixton-village-brixton/
Fucking hell. Was Saul down there with a 'niggers can't read' banner? oh wait. That was a fabrication of all the staff and customers of the grosvenor...
editor
hiraethified
What the fucking hell are you on about now?Fucking hell. Was Saul down there with a 'niggers can't read' banner? oh wait. That was a fabrication of all the staff and customers of the grosvenor...
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
And yet you are happy to promote a place selling both champagne and cheese just around the corner?
editor
hiraethified
Sure, but, as a rule, anonymous comments on a website are usually the least barometer of any kind of popular, representative opinion, given the self selecting nature of blogs and the fact that it's easy for people to post multiple comments under multiple IDs and give away no information about whatever they even live within 500 miles of the area under discussion.
