teuchter
je suis teuchter
You don't say.
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You don't say.
quimcunx
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And what if the bloke that has rendered that option impractical is not a bloke but a woman?
See the similarity yet?
Not easily, no. Partly because such feelings of aversion to hitting women probably have their roots in childhood, hence do not lend themselves readily to conscious examination.
Also, partly because such an aversion is likely bound up with notions of how status between men should be maintained, and how one's reputation in the eyes of women should be cultivated, and the ways in which the two are different.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Notions which I consider horribly old-fashioned and sooner gotten rid of, the better, I'm afraid.
Status between men (or between anyone) being judged by physical strength may have been appropriate or useful in primitive societies, but I don't think it is in any way a useful way to determine status in a civilised one.
Not sure it is a matter of physical strength so much as a psychological willingness to take a risk.
There is another factor, namely that many men simply feel more kindly disposed to women in general and hence find the thought of a man punching a woman more repellent than a man punching another man. This discrepancy pops up in all sorts of situations - one reason armies are generally reluctant to field women in the frontline is that male soldiers find it extremely difficult to ignore the cries of a wounded woman (or so I read somewhere).
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Equality doesn't mean treating everyone the same.
scifisam
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@Rutita: I'd feel the same way.
Oh, I see. Well, I'm not sure if he is actually legally their responsibility any more, at 16 - he could move out and get married if he wanted to.
Oh, I see. Well, I'm not sure if he is actually legally their responsibility any more, at 16 - he could move out and get married if he wanted to.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
quimcunx
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Not unless the law has changed without me noticing, he can't!
He can go to Gretna Green!
If anyone would have him...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
lights.out.london
Black Flag
(((Big fat line of cocaine)))
*offers quimcunx candyfloss*
Blimey. Where do some of you get the stamina?
editor
hiraethified
Ah, sorry, I thought he was the same age as the woman he smacked in the face.
I see one of those highly improbable, point-scoring scenarios I was referring to earlier has just been cooked up!
"But what if it's six headed aggressive alien destroying the planet - and it happens to be female?"
teuchter
je suis teuchter
No it's not.
Do you really find it highly improbable that there might be a situation where a man is not able to restrain a woman?
It's a very simple point - if the aggressor is a woman, and is stronger than you, and you are not able to restrain her, then why should you apply a different approach to that which you said you'd apply to exactly the same scenario but involving a male aggressor?
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Kindly do not avoid my earlier question for any more pages of this thread.
Please answer yes or no, have you hit a woman and in which case what was the situation?
(and no metaphysical hypothesis please)
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Most interesting thing about this is the odd determination to misunderstand teuchter tbh.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Kindly do not avoid my earlier question for any more pages of this thread.
Please answer yes or no, have you hit a woman and in which case what was the situation?
(and no metaphysical hypothesis please)
If you can get your head around the metaphysics of refering to my post no. 414 you will find you already have your answer.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Specially as it wasn't him that originally raised the point of disagreement.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
He was going to accuse you of beating up women for fun because, obviously, anyone who thinks it's no worse than hitting a man must be into hitting women. Equally obviously, anyone who thinks it's particularly unacceptable to hit a woman must think it's fine to go around beating up men...
editor
hiraethified
Seeing as you were so mustard keen to discover people's personal experiences earlier on, could you tell me how many times you've personally faced this situation and had to give a woman a slap in the mush?
As for me, the answer = 0.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Zero as previously stated. Are we determining probability by means of anecdotal evidence?
quimcunx
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I've just realised my multi-quote post is about 3 pages long with commentary. I must be annoyed.
So I have decided to just condense teuchter's posts, not anyone elses, for anyone reading this who may now be under the impression he advocates kicking the shit out of women as a hobby. And those who lack the requisite degree in metaphysics. Though I notice those new to this part of the thread don't seem to have read it any other way than presented here, so I probably don't need to.
I don't understand how saying I would no more hit a man than I would a woman is translated as I gladly hit women, as gladly as I would hit men, if I wasn't such a coward.
So I have decided to just condense teuchter's posts, not anyone elses, for anyone reading this who may now be under the impression he advocates kicking the shit out of women as a hobby. And those who lack the requisite degree in metaphysics. Though I notice those new to this part of the thread don't seem to have read it any other way than presented here, so I probably don't need to.
I don't understand how saying I would no more hit a man than I would a woman is translated as I gladly hit women, as gladly as I would hit men, if I wasn't such a coward.
quimcunx
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Why do you take it that he has hit a man? Are you under the assumption that all men have hit a man? Why? Do you believe that all normal, balanced men have? Have you? Was he bigger or smaller than you? Stronger? Weaker? Did hitting a man make you feel more manly? I’m assuming you think hitting a woman would make you feel less manly? Does not having hit a man make you less manly?
scifisam
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Erm, I'd also apply the same criteria to hitting men or women. I'd go for restraint first rather than hitting, but restraint wouldn't always be possible, This is theoretical, though - haven't had a fistfight since I was about 11.
And there are quite a few individual women who are stronger than quite a few individual men. If my GF got into a fight with my best male friend, he'd have no hope - she's way, way stronger than him. (It's kinda funny to consider those two pacifists fighting, though). Just because men are stronger on average doesn't mean that no situation will ever arise where a man can't restrain a woman. If we get to talking about multiple women beating up a man - which I have seen - then the women's individual strength isn't really all that important.
It's kinda dangerous to continue saying that men are always the stronger sex and a man should never hit a woman. That makes life harder for men who in violent relationships where it's the woman who's violent.
He can with his parents' permission, or in Scotland (for marriage) and he can move out, whether they like it or not. Actually, I'm sure that the need for parents' permission was withdrawn recently, but the government site that would have official info on it is down, and all the other sites are older.
And there are quite a few individual women who are stronger than quite a few individual men. If my GF got into a fight with my best male friend, he'd have no hope - she's way, way stronger than him. (It's kinda funny to consider those two pacifists fighting, though
). Just because men are stronger on average doesn't mean that no situation will ever arise where a man can't restrain a woman. If we get to talking about multiple women beating up a man - which I have seen - then the women's individual strength isn't really all that important. It's kinda dangerous to continue saying that men are always the stronger sex and a man should never hit a woman. That makes life harder for men who in violent relationships where it's the woman who's violent.
Not unless the law has changed without me noticing, he can't!
He can with his parents' permission, or in Scotland (for marriage) and he can move out, whether they like it or not. Actually, I'm sure that the need for parents' permission was withdrawn recently, but the government site that would have official info on it is down, and all the other sites are older.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I haven't been reading teuchter's posts as "I gladly hit women, as gladly as I would hit men, if I wasn't such a coward" for whatever that's worth, quimcunx.
The basic premise (for me) is that you don't want to be hitting people at all if it can be avoided, and especially over something as daft as a tshirt. But people don't always act rationally, especially in the heat of the moment. And it's the action, reaction, reaction, escalation that results in things getting out of control and people getting hurt/OB called in etc. Some people have the ability to defuse these incidents with some humour/sense, even as basic as 'leave it mate, it's not worth it'.
But, there are some people that thrive on the adrenaline rush ... fight/flight and all its aspects, not just manifesting in physical punches.
As a lass, if I hit someone I'd expect to be hit back with equal force. If my target was male (or female tbh) and didn't hit me back, I wouldn't feel demeaned ... although I'd probably feel even more ashamed of myself when the adrenaline thing receded. But that's just me innit. I avoid it
The basic premise (for me) is that you don't want to be hitting people at all if it can be avoided, and especially over something as daft as a tshirt. But people don't always act rationally, especially in the heat of the moment. And it's the action, reaction, reaction, escalation that results in things getting out of control and people getting hurt/OB called in etc. Some people have the ability to defuse these incidents with some humour/sense, even as basic as 'leave it mate, it's not worth it'.
But, there are some people that thrive on the adrenaline rush ... fight/flight and all its aspects, not just manifesting in physical punches.
As a lass, if I hit someone I'd expect to be hit back with equal force. If my target was male (or female tbh) and didn't hit me back, I wouldn't feel demeaned ... although I'd probably feel even more ashamed of myself when the adrenaline thing receded. But that's just me innit. I avoid it
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
I was counting you as new to this part of the thread!
I've had a boyfriend who was a foot taller than me and a good 3 or 4 stone heavier who failed to pick me up. I managed to pick him up. In fact when I was tiny in width as well as height, 4'11'', and men would physically pick me up for their own amusement I would retaliate by picking them up. I even picked up a 17 stone bouncer once. I've spun a 15 stoner round and round and round.
I reckon I could take teuchter in a fight.
