Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[newbie]

Not with the Sun calling in it's editoral to show that Britian isn't racist and urging all it's readers to vote out Jade for the good of the country.

so the Sun plays political correctness and the whole country is expected to obey? Thing is, the entire chattering classes are up in arms about this but really Jade, Dani & Jo are not represented by any of that. There are millions of people like them, who would just love to stick it to the right on Oh So correct voices that dominate all airwaves and all discussion. They can't express themselves, because they lack articulacy and because they'll be howled down.

These votes are anonymous.

These are young girls who were sniffing each others farts last night and giggling. They represent us rather more than we'd like to admit.

 

[STFC]

They represent us rather more than we'd like to admit.

They don't represent me.

 

[Kanda]

Effigys of Shilpa to be burned at a demo in Bermondsey....

http://www.markmcgowan.org/index.html

 

[Chairman Meow]

They don't represent me.

Or me.

 

[newbie]

fair enough, I wouldn't expect anyone to say on a public board that they're represented by girls who sniff each others backsides, or who gang up on someone they see as controlling, untrustworthy and aloof. That's not the way we nice people behave.

we'll see.

 

[rocketman]

Hurrah! A whole 14 signatures on the petition.

"We, the undersigned, wish to register our anger at Endemol show Big Brother's handling of the terrible situation in the Big Brother house, and demand that all concerned in managing this show be forced to explain their actions and decisions throughout the life of this series."

Sign Here

(OK, I was yelling at the TV last night, incensed at Ch4's greywash, and just had to try to do something)

Does it not show Shilpa's quality that now she's worried that Jade's life will be ruined by all this. And isn't it annoying that two-faced racist Danielle seems to have got away with it.

And isn't it depressing that Jade's manager is the same management firm as Davina, Russel, Dermot and co?

Proof Here - check the roster

 

[Treacle Toes]

They don't represent me.

I don't think they represent me personally either but they do however, represent things about this country, like it or not, even if not in it's entirety.

 

[treelover]

What i find interesting, is that clear racism, homophobia, etc was expressed on the dispatches programme Undercover Mosques (leaving aside its many failings)by at least 10 different people, yet that thread is only 5 pages, the thread on BB's contested racist outbursts many many more. Imo, the danger presented to people by an extension of what was recorded in the programme: killing jews, kuffurs, homosexuals, debasing women is surely more that what three W/C women will little power, may have said. Its also replicated across the media where the programme has had little coverage and no national debate.


people closing their eyes, minds?

 

[rocketman]

people closing their eyes, minds?

Jade and Danielle clearly have more power than a mosque-full of traditionalist hardline muslims. That fact shows a racially based society in itself.

 

[newbie]

@rutita1, #2857


that's right, despite their individual success they represent some of the people who live this country, people who are almost entirely unrepresented, voiceless and disenfranchised. Shilpa, as well as representing "her country"** also represents poise, education, success and all the other attributes the girls don't. There are a lot of people in this country who would like to stick it to people like her. There is a class issue behind a lot of this, as people said upthread.


** I'm a bit surprised that no-one picked up on Shilpa saying that. seems to me that one interperetation is nationalistic, another cultural and a third racial. Is she any more or less at fault for claiming to represent a few hundred million people than D is for suggesting she goes home? It's not that clearcut in my mind, tbh.

 

[magneze]

What i find interesting, is that clear racism, homophobia, etc was expressed on the dispatches programme Undercover Mosques (leaving aside its many failings)by at least 10 different people, yet that thread is only 5 pages, the thread on BB's contested racist outbursts many many more. Imo, the danger presented to people by an extension of what was recorded in the programme: killing jews, kuffurs, homosexuals, debasing women is surely more that what three W/C women will little power, may have said. Its also replicated across the media where the programme has had little coverage and no national debate.


people closing their eyes, minds?

I think you're spot on here.

 

[han]

I still think she (Cleo) is a good person. Nobody is perfect.

Me too! I do! She's good. But weak. But you're right - nobody's perfect, and who can say how they would behave in a situation like that that's so intense and with cameras everywhere....

 

[kyser_soze]

Jade and Danielle clearly have more power than a mosque-full of traditionalist hardline muslims. That fact shows a racially based society in itself.

You think?

I don't. I think Jade and Danielle have 'influence' so long as they stay in the tabloid eye. Religions convince people to kill others and themselves.

Which do you think is more of an issue?

 

[Augie March]

Am glad to hear that they've removed the audience from tonight's eviction on a police recommendation.

 

[rocketman]

You think?

I don't. I think Jade and Danielle have 'influence' so long as they stay in the tabloid eye. Religions convince people to kill others and themselves.

Which do you think is more of an issue?

That's an innacurate depiction of religion, and one that also supports the secular state those two women are products of.

 

[Treacle Toes]

What i find interesting, is that clear racism, homophobia, etc was expressed on the dispatches programme Undercover Mosques (leaving aside its many failings)by at least 10 different people, yet that thread is only 5 pages, the thread on BB's contested racist outbursts many many more. Imo, the danger presented to people by an extension of what was recorded in the programme: killing jews, kuffurs, homosexuals, debasing women is surely more that what three W/C women will little power, may have said. Its also replicated across the media where the programme has had little coverage and no national debate.


people closing their eyes, minds?

I agree with you but the obvious difference is that dispatches is a documentary that has 'exposed' the issue, those ideas and how they are being circulated, they have done similar stuff on white supremicists and the BNP....the difference is that those issues and those ideas are not, being paraded to us as popular culture ......

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Cameron to win.

 

[danny la rouge]

Just read that, Danielles agent, briefed her before going into the house about not being 'racist'. Why would her agent make such a request ?

That could help explain why there was such a look of terror on her face when she was asked about the phrase "I think she should fuck off home".

I read in one of the tabloids today Lloyd's agent saying "it wasn't meant in a racist way - all the young people are saying that to each other these days." Oh, really?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Effigys of Shilpa to be burned at a demo in Bermondsey....

http://www.markmcgowan.org/index.html

It's been cancelled!

 

[Treacle Toes]

W/C women will little power

Those women may not have much power themselves but the culture 'they' represent definately does...hence the frucas we are now witnessing.

 

[treelover]

Good thing it has been, we don't need 'flashpoints like this

It's been cancelled!

 

[Augie March]

Cameron to win.

Lol

Christ, those were the days, nice sensible people with no exaggerated personality traits.

Made for boring-as-fuck telly though.

 

[Augie March]

dp

 

[danny la rouge]

Cleo

Me too! I do! She's good. But weak. But you're right - nobody's perfect, and who can say how they would behave in a situation like that that's so intense and with cameras everywhere....

Furthermore, the way bullies operate is to blame the victim for the bullying, and to create an atmosphere where others fear being bullied themselves. Hence comments from Ian and Cleo that they can sort of in a way see both sides of the "argument". There is no argument - only bullying.

I hope I'd challenge the bullies in those circumstances, and I'm disappointed that neither Cleo nor Ian have, but I'm not going to condemn them.

 

[kyser_soze]

That's an innacurate depiction of religion,

No, it's a partial description of religion - it's not inaccurate in any way at all.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

@rutita1, #2857


that's right, despite their individual success they represent some of the people who live this country, people who are almost entirely unrepresented, voiceless and disenfranchised. Shilpa, as well as representing "her country"** also represents poise, education, success and all the other attributes the girls don't. There are a lot of people in this country who would like to stick it to people like her. There is a class issue behind a lot of this, as people said upthread.


** I'm a bit surprised that no-one picked up on Shilpa saying that. seems to me that one interperetation is nationalistic, another cultural and a third racial. Is she any more or less at fault for claiming to represent a few hundred million people than D is for suggesting she goes home? It's not that clearcut in my mind, tbh.

erm no if you go to a forgien country you are representing your cutlure and society by your actions. By being a visiting national, you are by extension an ambassidor for you home nation regardless of whether you accept the concept of statehood or nations.

this is a perfectly reasonable statement to make. it's not suggesting that every single person in your home natin is like you it's suggesting that your actions have wider implications than just yourself...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Good thing it has been, we don't need 'flashpoints like this

though a flash point which would very well turn into a criminal proceeding i woudl iamgin ethat burning an effigy of a forgien national would be considered a racist action if nothing else though what good a demo after the eviction night of support would be is another thing...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

what happened to the paparazzi bloke going in???

 

[Tank Girl]

has it been mentioned that there will be no crowd tonight? at work, so only got a quick go on the computer, can't check the thread!

 

[Georgie Porgie]

erm no if you go to a forgien country you are representing your cutlure and society by your actions. By being a visiting national, you are by extension an ambassidor for you home nation regardless of whether you accept the concept of statehood or nations.

this is a perfectly reasonable statement to make. it's not suggesting that every single person in your home natin is like you it's suggesting that your actions have wider implications than just yourself...

Good point.