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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

There could be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Maybe all this bollocks will help bring about the demise of the publics ability to make talentless people millionaires and allowing them to pollute our media space.

Let's just hope if there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it doesn't turn out to be a train.
 
DJ Squelch said:
Also a rumour that Darren Lyons (Ozzie paparazzi agengy owner) is going in tommorrow.

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Looks like you might be right. Holy Moly are saying he's going in too.

He's about the only person with the front to do it really. As i said last night he could be a very interesting housemate. Not sure wether he likes or dislikes Jade. She probably earns him a lot of money for his pap agency...
 
I think when Shilpa said 'This is what you are famous for!' to Jade she actually meant that being unpleasent and shouty, not just being on BB...

I hated JJ saying 'Forget it forget it forget it forget it' to Shilpa - I understand that's it's usually best and easiest to remove the calmest party in an argument to defuse it but Cleo didnt' seem to be letting Shilpa express herself fully either. There's a lot of 'Don't worry about it! Ignore it!' to Shilpa from JJ, H and Cleo. I understand why but it can't be helping Shilpa's state of mind, poor caah.


I'm madd disappointed in Cleo :( I saw her on the tube once and she beamed at me and I went 'Teeheehee!' because she is so lovely.
 
Lisarocket said:
Looks like you might be right. Holy Moly are saying he's going in too.

He's about the only person with the front to do it really. As i said last night he could be a very interesting housemate. Not sure wether he likes or dislikes Jade. She probably earns him a lot of money for his pap agency...

Please dont tell me that fat mysoginistic twunt is going to go in there and do some moral race peace keeping work, what a laugh,he is one of the most corrupt peeps in the industry:D
 
zed said:
There could be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Maybe all this bollocks will help bring about the demise of the publics ability to make talentless people millionaires and allowing them to pollute our media space.

Let's just hope if there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it doesn't turn out to be a train.

Fingers crossed.
 
Orangesanlemons said:
Oooh, just watching the 'Oxo' argument. Another 'shit' reference from Jade to back up Louloubelle's arguments about subconcious racism/references to faeces. Interesting, I've been hearing this since BB5 and I'm starting to come round to the theory... it really does seem to surface in every race-related argument.

The thing is that references to dirt / filth / faeces / contamination / vermin are common features of racist propaganda / attacks and also of (usually unconsious) envious attacks.

I just want to say a bit more about the envious attacks and my understanding of their features

The psychoanalyst Melanie Klein worked with very troubled very young children and used play technique to understand the children's anxieties and unconscious phantasies. Play technique is a variation of the free association used in adult phsycoanalysis in which very young children who have a very limited vocabulary are left to express themselves freely using a variety of toys. Klein hypothesised that envy features very powerfully in the unconscious minds of very disturbed young children and also of adults.

The envy is usually directed towards a phantsy* object. The most common objects are
a) a withholding breast which is the source of all goodness but which keeps its milky wonderfulness for itself, inducing envious rage in the infant
b) a combined parent figure which may be experienced as enjoying an exlusive and exciting orally gratifying milky goodness from which the infant is excluded, inducing envious rage

The infant uses his or her only weapons to attack the envied object. The infant uses an oral attack, biting with teeth, and also uses their faeces and urine, which are experienced as being powerful weapons.

You often see this in adults. People will join together to viciously attack and bully someone who they envy. You can't underestimate the malice of these attacks. They will agree that the person is shit, scum, dirty, rubbish, they talk shit, their art/ music/ work / whatever is shit. The metaphors and references are to do with shit and filth. You can identify envious attacks by the metaphots and language that people use.

Now with Shilpa things are complicated because the shitty metaphors are very well known for being associated with racist attacks and IMO there are definite racist overtones to the bullying.

There is another, I think, reason why Shilpa is being bullied, and that is that she has the ability to think and to speak eloquently.

Now, why might Shilpa's eloquence and capacity to think enrage people? Well Klein would have said that this eloquence and capacity to think can invoke envious attacks because it resonates at an unconscious level with oedipal rage relating to the infant being exluded from the parent's intercourse.

The person who can think and speak (and let's face it the bullies in BB are not renowned for their ability to, think / reflect / speak knowledgably) can be experienced unconsciously as representing all that is desired for yet that which is withheld and from which the infant is excluded.

A person with the ability to think, reflect and speak knowledgably can be subjected to vicious envious attacks by those whose capacity to think and speak is limited.

If you think about the language we use to describe thinking, the words are those we use to describe intercourse and procreation and sometimes also food. To "concieve of", a "conception", "I cannot bear to think about" "a cross-fertilisation of ideas" "food for thought", etc.

The analysts Wilfred Bion and Ronald Britton have written extensively about this. One of Britton's patients famously shouted at him "Stop that fucking thinking!", which helped him to understand that his ability to think during the session was perceived as threatening by the patient as it triggered the patien't oedipal rage at being excluded from the parental intercourse.

To conclude, are tha tracks on Shilpa racist?

I think they are, but I aslo think that they are linked to envy, not just of her beauty, fame, wealth, etc, but to her intellect and eloquence.


*an unconscious internal object existing only in the mind but experienced as existing in reality in the external world
 
Louloubelle said:
The thing is that references to dirt / filth / faeces / contamination / vermin are common features of racist propaganda / attacks and also of (usually unconsious) envious attacks.

I just want to say a bit more about the envious attacks and my understanding of their features

The psychoanalyst Melanie Klein worked with very troubled very young children and used play technique to understand the children's anxieties and unconscious phantasies. Play technique is a variation of the free association used in adult phsycoanalysis in which very young children who have a very limited vocabulary are left to express themselves freely using a variety of toys. Klein hypothesised that envy features very powerfully in the unconscious minds of very disturbed young children and also of adults.

The envy is usually directed towards a phantsy* object. The most common objects are
a) a withholding breast which is the source of all goodness but which keeps its milky wonderfulness for itself, inducing envious rage in the infant
b) a combined parent figure which may be experienced as enjoying an exlusive and exciting orally gratifying milky goodness from which the infant is excluded, inducing envious rage

The infant uses his or her only weapons to attack the envied object. The infant uses an oral attack, biting with teeth, and also uses their faeces and urine, which are experienced as being powerful weapons.

You often see this in adults. People will join together to viciously attack and bully someone who they envy. You can't underestimate the malice of these attacks. They will agree that the person is shit, scum, dirty, rubbish, they talk shit, their art/ music/ work / whatever is shit. The metaphors and references are to do with shit and filth. You can identify envious attacks by the metaphots and language that people use.

Now with Shilpa things are complicated because the shitty metaphors are very well known for being associated with racist attacks and IMO there are definite racist overtones to the bullying.

There is another, I think, reason why Shilpa is being bullied, and that is that she has the ability to think and to speak eloquently.

Now, why might Shilpa's eloquence and capacity to think enrage people? Well Klein would have said that this eloquence and capacity to think can invoke envious attacks because it resonates at an unconscious level with oedipal rage relating to the infant being exluded from the parent's intercourse.

The person who can think and speak (and let's face it the bullies in BB are not renowned for their ability to, think / reflect / speak knowledgably) can be experienced unconsciously as representing all that is desired for yet that which is withheld and from which the infant is excluded.

A person with the ability to think, reflect and speak knowledgably can be subjected to vicious envious attacks by those whose capacity to think and speak is limited.

If you think about the language we use to describe thinking, the words are those we use to describe intercourse and procreation and sometimes also food. To "concieve of", a "conception", "I cannot bear to think about" "a cross-fertilisation of ideas" "food for thought", etc.

The analysts Wilfred Bion and Ronald Britton have written extensively about this. One of Britton's patients famously shouted at him "Stop that fucking thinking!", which helped him to understand that his ability to think during the session was perceived as threatening by the patient as it triggered the patien't oedipal rage at being excluded from the parental intercourse.

To conclude, are tha tracks on Shilpa racist?

I think they are, but I aslo think that they are linked to envy, not just of her beauty, fame, wealth, etc, but to her intellect and eloquence.


*an unconscious internal object existing only in the mind but experienced as existing in reality in the external world


Excellent!!!!

i tried to say this pages and pages ago, but no body listened.
 
that is the longest post ever to say; They are being racist but that is only an arbitrary signifier for their undelying envy because she isn't as thick as them.
 
souljacker said:
Same as that. First time I watched it since Donny walked out.

What I'd like to know is, who the fuck is that spare part Jack?

This guy says he's a football agent.....During the transfer window in the BB house? I think not!!
 
revol68 said:
that is the longest post ever to say; They are being racist but that is only an arbitrary signifier for their undelying envy because she isn't as thick as them.

er not really

I think they are being racist and they are attacking Shilpa because of envy and because she invokes powerful rageful feelings based in oedipal rage

On a continuum of how much is racist and how much is envy I really have no idea where to make a mark on the line, but I think that both racism and envy are there

I have to say I feel worried about Jo as she seemes to have serious problems with thinking and I don't think she should be in the house. She seems to on the verge of some kind of breakdown, at least from what I have seen.
 
Dubversion said:
so you're suggesting that her unpleasant behaviour is because she's thick? are all people who do bad things thick? do good people not do bad things?

or is her intelliegence - along with her appearance - irrelevant?
sorry are you honestly argueing that her inabilty to consider her reactions to a situation and also to comprehend the situation she is in and placing others in which is limited by her intelligence regardless of any other qualities would in this specific instance is not placing her and a percived and obvious disadvantage.

Were she more intelligent, rational and clam as a human being all of which are learnt beahviours not something which is genetically predetermined, she would be handling this differently, if for no other reason that the sake of her business empire. It's not like she hasn't had the oppertunity or the finance to beable to improve all of those asepects and indeed still make a small fortune doign so... jade goes back to school for example or jade does univercity would all make vaugely intresting fly on the wall docs she'd gain something out of it both financally and personally...

so her being stupid, and willfully, so does have everythign to do with it, regardless of any high minded wishes not to see prejudical mysoginy exhibited, on your part, by others. Granted few comments in this disscussion have actually address this and are or a more personal and directly attacking nature which are as vulturous and carsonagenic as the actions of goodie et al themselves. but to say it's has nothing to do with her stupidity is wholley inaccurate...
 
Does anyone know when and if we are getting an eviction soon?

Coz i thought it should be Tuesday, and hopefully we will get a chance to vote the racist gits out eh?
 
newbie said:
this is just two people rather thoughtlessly slagging off each other, but it's utterly meaningless on both sides.

Is BBC English, complete with elocution lessons, more or less 'proper' than the natural language filtered through centuries of dialect and accent?

Can anyone honestly suggest that the common speech patterns used in Liverpool or Romford (or indeed Newcastle, Cardiff, Glasgow, Bristol or Birmingham) are not proper English? That way lies madness.

Refined, taught RP English is a useful skill that people all over the country and all over the world seek to acquire, but it's no more proper than what us common English people actually speak.

what's a dimella?

what's an envrio?

can somebody be influlential?

is shilpa an escape goat?

it's got nothing to do with the accent. more to do with the fact that shilpa's vocabulary and grammar are about ten times better than theirs. therefore when they attack her for "not being able to speak english" then that is ironic.

which is funny.
 
The Guardian's report also claims that the Carphone Warehouse has "received assurances from Channel 4 that it will tone down the casting and editing" of Big Brother.

DS link

Tone down the casting? :confused: I guess the rumour of Jim Davidson & Darcus Howe being the other 2 new entrys are unfounded then.
 
haylz said:
:D

He is an awful little fat man with weird colour hair a big mouth and probably no length in his penis:D


we're talking about jack not darren arent we? I know who darren is ffs :D I quite like him aswell y'know it's the arrogance :cool:
 
tribal_princess said:
we're talking about jack not darren arent we? I know who darren is ffs :D I quite like him aswell y'know it's the arrogance :cool:


Yuh, the Acceptable Face of the Paparazzi, if you can imagine such a thing. That prog about Big Pictures was fascinating, I thought and I quite liked him too.
 
tribal_princess said:
we're talking about jack not darren arent we? I know who darren is ffs :D I quite like him aswell y'know it's the arrogance :cool:

Darren? Who the fuck is Darren?:confused:

I'm really confused now. Errrmm....Craig to win?
 
I've never watched Big Brother.

I was drawn to this thread by a comment by Pilch on another last night and have spent an hour this morning acquainting myself with what's going on.

I've never had an opinion of Jade, she was just someone that I was vaguely aware existed (I thought a singer). I do know of Shilpa Shetty though and am surprised she even considered appearing on this ghastly programme.

I've never voted on a phone in before. How much does it cost to vote? I'm going to make ten quids worth of calls to evict Jade.

What angers me almost as much as the attitudes being displayed is the fact that the shows producers must be chaffing their hands on the Bollinger corks as the ratings rocket.

I would like to see either:

a) The show pulled and the producers and C4 fined heavily so they don't benefit from the increased viewing figures.

b) Shetty to win.

Bollocks, I'm going to have to start watching it now aren't I :( .

BTW: The cunt who made the "arse raping" comment on here should be permabanned and flogged senseless.
 
Spymaster said:
I've never watched Big Brother.

I was drawn to this thread by a comment by Pilch on another last night and have spent an hour this morning acquainting myself with what's going on.

I've never had an opinion of Jade, she was just someone that I was vaguely aware existed (I thought a singer). I do know of Shilpa Shetty though and am surprised she even considered appearing on this ghastly programme.

I've never voted on a phone in before. How much does it cost to vote? I'm going to make ten quids worth of calls to evict Jade.

What angers me almost as much as the attitudes being displayed is the fact that the shows producers must be chaffing their hands on the Bollinger corks as the ratings rocket.

I would like to see either:

a) The show pulled and the producers and C4 fined heavily so they don't benefit from the increased viewing figures.

b) Shetty to win.

Bollocks, I'm going to have to start watching it now aren't I :( .

BTW: The cunt who made the "arse raping" comment on here should be permabanned and flogged senseless.

24hrs instead:(
 
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