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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

The Sick Anchor said:
so pete burns treatment of say jodie marsh (and others - can't really remember the details) last year wasn't bad?

Oh yes you're right there...but pete hunted alone....and Jodie wasn't on her own....
 
Rutita1 said:
Oh yes you're right there...but pete hunted alone....and Jodie wasn't on her own....

almost the whole house bullied jodie marsh if i remember correctly, where was the hysteria & outcry then?

maybe because she's white trash it's ok, and she deserved it?
 
The Sick Anchor said:
white trash being a case in point


white trash is an interesting example

on the one hand the word trash does fall into the category of racist abuse

the word white just doesn't though does it?

For the avoidance of doubt, I am NOT saying that there is no such thing as racism against white people. The category 'white' is a metaphorical invention anyway, there are no more white people than there are black people.

As a good mate of mine who suffererd terrible racist bullying as a child and young adult explained to me, that it really hurts him when people call him the n word or a black bastard, black (insert insult here).

he said that he had called the bullies a white (insult insult here) but they just laughed in his face

the fact is that the words and metaphors association with black have been negative and with white have been positive since time and this is in many cultures and is pretty much universal AFAIK

so calling someone white trash might not be a very nice thing to say, but gaving the history of racism, it is very different to calling someone black / jew / paki (insert insult here)

apologies for pointing out the bleedin obvious but you seem to to be failing to understand something really very basic and fundemental about social history, racism and language
 
Anyway....I look forward to seeing how CH4 are going to handle this one...
I predict:
Lighthearted HL shows not focusing on the rift in the house.
Not showing any of the bitching.
Edits that focus on the possibility of Shilpa being manipulative, over sensitive and bring it on herself.
 
The Sick Anchor said:
almost the whole house bullied jodie marsh if i remember correctly, where was the hysteria & outcry then?

People did complain and support Jodie. However she was the first to leave and therefore it was over really quickly.

maybe because she's white trash it's ok, and she deserved it?

Nobody deserves to be treated badly and bullied.
It's offensive to call someone that, why do you insist on doing it?
 
PacificOcean said:
Innit.

As someone who dips in and out off BB forums, just to keep up with what people are on at work.

Why do people watch this shit?
It (as policy) encourages the worst aspects of human nature and we've got enough examples of this already. I'm actually shocked by it.

Utter crap!
 
When I was in New York I went to a "white trash night" which was advertising "red neck country music". They were using it as selling point.

I don't think it has the same negative connections as some of the racist words used against other ethnic groups.
 
LD Rudeboy said:
When I was in New York I went to a "white trash night" which was advertising "red neck country music". They were using it as selling point.

I don't think it has the same negative connections as some of the racist words used against other ethnic groups.
Thank you....a REAL example of how the two are not related.

Mind you it would be wrong if the club was run by Blacks or Hispanics. What white people call themselves (or Black or Brown) is not the issue.
 
The Sick Anchor said:
i'm not calling anyone anything, i'm searching for reasons as to why they didnt get 8,000 complaints for that nasty piece of bullying

To be fair....posters here have offered you numerous 'possibilities'....you just ain't buying them.
 
The Sick Anchor said:
i'm not reading 60 pages of thread to tease out some line thanks

interesting not one complaint was lodged for the white trash thing, but the whole nation appears to be up in arms about this one


You again, interesting place to resurface?????
 
The Sick Anchor said:
i'm not calling anyone anything, i'm searching for reasons as to why they didnt get 8,000 complaints for that nasty piece of bullying

People did not see it as JJ bullying Jackiey?
It was not part of a sustained attack.
He actually said he wouldn't use the term but others would.
Not condoning his use of it at all.
 
A spokesperson for the charity said: "Beatbullying has received a huge number of emails from young people across the UK who support Jodie's stance on bullying, many of them very worried about some of the treatment Jodie is going through in the Big Brother house."
I found this quote about Jodie Marsh on Big Brother. It just says a huge number of emails. I don't know if that's in the thousands but people did speak out apparently.

Source.
 
The Sick Anchor said:
surely offence is in the eye of the person being offended

i don't see how an example of an 'ironic' gig in NY provides empirical evidence
LLB has given you a very valid 'empirical' perspective.
 
The Sick Anchor said:
surely offence is in the eye of the person being offended

i don't see how an example of an 'ironic' gig in NY provides empirical evidence
Well it seems that not enough were offended like you, there's got to be a reason for that.

If a black person said it I bet you'd get the same reaction, and I'd agree.
 
iROBOT said:
Thank you....a REAL example of how the two are not related.

Mind you it would be wrong if the club was run by Blacks or Hispanics. What white people call themselves (or Black or Brown) is not the issue.

so on your own logic a black person calling a white person white trash is as bad as a white person calling a black person black bastard, so they are related
 
Hmm, I think we need two BB threads here - one for the updates and rumours and another for talking about the issues thrown up by the show. Anyway, back to BB for a moment and *reverse ferret* has been posting again over on digispy. The filleted info from the only genuine insider I've seen post anywhere is this:

Endemol are dealing with this situation in their own inimitable way by chucking three (THREE!) new people into the house on a live show tomorrow night. Nominations are now delayed until friday - basically they're hoping that the new people will deflect attention from this shitstorm (the same shitstorm that's happened every year since BB5 incidentally, you'd think they'd learn) and change the dynamic of the house.

I have no idea who they are yet btw. ;) :cool:
 
The Sick Anchor said:
so on your own logic a black person calling a white person white trash is as bad as a white person calling a black person black bastard, so they are related
Absolutely, but where in this context has a black person called a white person this on BB?
 
LD Rudeboy said:
I found this quote about Jodie Marsh on Big Brother. It just says a huge number of emails. I don't know if that's in the thousands but people did speak out apparently.

Source.

it says a huge amount of emails were sent to the charity beatbullying, wonder how many complaints channel 4 actually got about it, also i don't recall it being plastered over the news & radio like it has been today
 
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