Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[scifisam]

Jade is doing something. She's appearing on a very popular entertainment form. Are you really saying being in Steps or Girls Aloud is of more worth than being a TV personality?

Professional football is a children's playground game played by overpaid narcissists. So some people are quite good at it, so what? My brother was good at Rubik's Cube in 1980 - nobody wanted to give him £20 000 a week. Celebrity is arbitrary; if you like football, you'll think footballers deserve their celebrity, if you don't you won't.

First paragraph: Yes, I do think it's more worthy. It requires some talent. They have to be able to sing at least a bit (and some are good singers) and dance very well.

Being good at Rubik's cube is far more common than being world-standard at football. I don't particularly like football, btw; I like playing it, but never watch it on TV. But if someone's going to be famous, then better that they be famous for being special in some positive way, than famous for being especially stupid.

Like I said, I have nothing whatsoever against Jade herself. She seems like just an ordinary person, neither good nor bad.

I've just caught up, and I think it's extra cruel of BB to make Jade give people orders and turn them into slaves. It's the old prisoners-and-guards experiment. I remember now why so many people I know hate this show. That is stupid of me, too, of course, forgetting that BB these days is all about being cruel to the participants - maybe I should get lots of money for my stupidity too?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

you seem to be contradicting yourself. A moment ago you had a problem with 'people like her'. What people like her? "Stupid" people?

Is being "stupid" suddenly offensive to you in some way? Do you think you're better than her because you believe her to be stupid and yourself to be intelligent?

She's famous because some cynical researchers at C4 thought Jade would be somebody that would add to the ratings in the original BB series she was on - perhaps they thought, like you, that her "stupidity" was something to be sneered at, something to give others a laugh at her expense. Then followed her vilification in the press.

Seems to me that she's winning, really. And in the process, still seems to be very aware of why she's famous and why she's on the show. She certainly doesn't appear to have any illusions about herself, really.

I'm sure she doesn't think she's better than others, which makes her a nicer person than you

Oh what a load of stinking shit. She's playing the fucking game, she aint no innocent. Her fame comes from being a shit for brains and as they say you live by the [media] sword die by the [media] sword.

Final point, when have I ever claimed to be a nice person?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You know very well that isn't the point. The point is she's a "chav". And middle class folks think sneering at "uneducated" chavs is just fine. But it isn't fine. It isn't fine at all.

In my experience it's working class people too.

 

[Dubversion]

Some are and some aren't.

the ones that are - how do you know this? What form does this 'being consumed by nonsense' take?

Anyway i thought you hated BB - wot you doing on this thread.

I don't like it, really. I've watched about 20 minutes of this run. I just wanted to see how Ken was functioning and then I came across the usual nasty side of Urban75 on this thread. The bigotry, the sneering, the superiority, the bullshit. And as usual, I couldn't help but react to it. I really shouldn't bother - the same sneering cunts come out with the same bullshit over and over. I'd rather be stuck in a house with Jade for a week than you, Kid Eternity or sci-fi sam at any rate

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Oi!

Only feminists allowed on here.

 

[Dubversion]

Final point, when have I ever claimed to be a nice person?

I'm not sure you have. I do think that I had a notion that you were a fairly decent type, somehow, up until this point.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I'd rather be stuck in a house with Jade for a week than you, Kid Eternity or sci-fi sam at any rate

This I'd love to see!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I'd hardly call not being impressed by someone who's fame comes from being thick as shit bigotry.

well it is you are placing some kind of abitary marker down on a certain level of intelligence and saying that those below it are in some way inferiour... which is bigotry... and also generalising deroigotry bollocks... i wonder if she would get half the hassle she does if she was a sloney leggy blonde from knightsbridge... or whether it'd be all phroogghhhh i'd do it even if it can't spell hackney... i recokon there'd be a lot less hate if she didn't sound essex...

 

[sheothebudworths]

I thought she was a Bermondsey girl.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I'm not sure you have. I do think that I had a notion that you were a fairly decent type, somehow, up until this point.

We all make mistakes.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I thought she was a Bermondsey girl.

she is..

 

[danny la rouge]

First paragraph: Yes, I do think it's more worthy. It requires some talent. They have to be able to sing at least a bit (and some are good singers) and dance very well.

Some can't sing at all. They rely on autotuner. I'm a musician. I can hear autotuner in records all the time these days, and it drives me nuts. But if people like that stuff, then that's up to them. But it doesn't require much skill, just good looks.

What about what Jade does? Well, since her fame in BB3, she has presented TV programmes. It might not be a skill you value, but people want to watch the programmes, so they must value it.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Grrrr...

We all make mistakes.

Gosh, you've come over all cheesy film villain this evening!

 

[danny la rouge]

In my experience it's working class people too.

Sneering?

 

[Dubversion]

What about what Jade does? Well, since her fame in BB3, she has presented TV programmes. It might not be a skill you value, but people want to watch the programmes, so they must value it.

But they must be stupid! Like the people who read Hello.. Well, apart from people like exosculate who see it for what it really is. And thus, even though he's reading it, he's still better than.. erm.. the other people reading it because..

erm.

I forget. Exosculate, could you run through one more time for me WHY you're better than the other people watching the same things as you and reading the same things as you? cheers

 

[sheothebudworths]

she is..

Not Essex then (why does everyone keep saying fuckin Essex!?! )!

 

[exosculate]

You know very well that isn't the point. The point is she's a "chav". And middle class folks think sneering at "uneducated" chavs is just fine. But it isn't fine. It isn't fine at all.

Well I agree with you there, but and its a very big but, I think the fact we are now flooded with this z list celebrity stuff, is creating great scars across our cultural fabric. Its advertiser friendly, non critical and unit shifting consumer ready bollocks.

Its control by the agenda setters like we've never seen before.

 

[Dubversion]

Gosh, you've come over all cheesy film villain this evening!

He's so nihilist and 'don't give a fuck'. He's on the last freedom moped to nowhere, where the only place for bleach is in your hair

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

We all make mistakes.

hmm ...

so let's get thsi right some lucky girl whose had a shit up bringing and in some lucky turn of events managed to turn around a life style where her mother was fuck faced on drugs od educating herself and is aware of her own limitations and has made summit of herself which is a million miles from where she was...

but cos she appears white (dispite being mixed race) this is unacceptable... cos she's thick and is livign in a world of celebrity ...

 

[Dubversion]

Well I agree with you there, but and its a very big but, I think the fact we are now flooded with this z list celebrity stuff, is creating great scars across our cultural fabric. Its advertiser friendly, non critical and unit shifting consumer ready bollocks.

Its control by the agenda setters like we've never seen before.

SO it's the agenda setters fault? I thought it was Jade's fault? Or the fault of the brainless vacuous consumers of this stuff?

I'm confused..

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Not Essex then (why does everyone keep saying fuckin Essex!?! )!

it's that gutteral basildon twang innit....

 

[sheothebudworths]

...no, it's a gutteral BERMONDSEY twang! Get it right!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Well I agree with you there, but and its a very big but, I think the fact we are now flooded with this z list celebrity stuff, is creating great scars across our cultural fabric. Its advertiser friendly, non critical and unit shifting consumer ready bollocks.

Its control by the agenda setters like we've never seen before.

yes of course it is i mean woe betide that the modern z list is based with in popular culture where upon 1020 years ago it was based on class.... i mean for gods sake the lower classes having some sort of value system on popularism just devaulues the whole debutant scene... learn some fuckign histroy rather than what you percieive as being the case... z list has been aound sinc ethe time of beethoven and prolly before...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

...no, it's a gutteral BERMONDSEY twang! Get it right!

i reckon in a blind taste test if i got you to lick some one from bermondsey and some one from basildon you wouldn't be able to tell me the difference...

 

[exosculate]

I don't like it, really. I've watched about 20 minutes of this run. I just wanted to see how Ken was functioning and then I came across the usual nasty side of Urban75 on this thread. The bigotry, the sneering, the superiority, the bullshit. And as usual, I couldn't help but react to it. I really shouldn't bother - the same sneering cunts come out with the same bullshit over and over. I'd rather be stuck in a house with Jade for a week than you, Kid Eternity or sci-fi sam at any rate

Why would anyone want to share space with you? Are you in demand or something?

Much as i find you entertaining, I think you are one of the most sneery fuckers on these boards.

You appear to get really angry as soon as you read things you don't like.

 

[exosculate]

yes of course it is i mean woe betide that the modern z list is based with in popular culture where upon 1020 years ago it was based on class.... i mean for gods sake the lower classes having some sort of value system on popularism just devaulues the whole debutant scene... learn some fuckign histroy rather than what you percieive as being the case... z list has been aound sinc ethe time of beethoven and prolly before...

Yep - The modern saturation media hasn't though.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Course I could!
Huge difference between south London and Essex (extension of the east end).

 

[Dubversion]

I'm not angry, exosculate, i'm perfectly calm and in remarkably fine spirits

Doesn't mean to say I'm not going to respond to the sort of bollocks you're trotting out. I guess i must be complicated like that.

And as for the 'share space' thing, I don't believe I claimed anybody I mentioned would want to do anything such thing, did I? Hopefully you realise that, really, or your comprehension skills are woefully inadequate.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Sneering?

Yep, some of the shit I've heard from mates and general conversations in pubs etc by wc people about chavs is far worse than anything being assigned to so called middle class people/media (I actually think there's a lot of myth about all this). In fact I've rarely met any mc people who really care about the whole thing.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Gosh, you've come over all cheesy film villain this evening!

*strokes white pussy*