Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[danny la rouge]

Its for my Media Studies module.

You're kidding, right? That's actually very good. I doff my cap to you.

 

[clandestino]

I agree. It does seem to have come a bit quick, though to be fair, from a production point of view, it is a great idea. Makes you wonder what other shockers they have planned.

But what they've forgotten is that the point of CBB is that we get to see celebrities (even if they are mostly "celebrities") being human beings. So you don't need a twist to begin with, because just peering into their lives is fascinating enough.

With this series, they went in on Wednesday, and then Jade and the family went in on Friday, and because of the 24 hour lag between the round up and reality, Davina was still showing clips of Day One. So we were still just getting to know everyone.

I still think they should have stuck to the original five day concept. That was great. But, hey, where there's money...

 

[exosculate]

they do that at GCSE now? wow

Ho ho ho.

 

[Dubversion]

What has posting on this thread or reading a Hello magazine got to do with criticising dumbed down media?

If I read a BNP publication does it mean I can no longer criticise fascism?

fantastic

 

[danny la rouge]

What has posting on this thread or reading a Hello magazine got to do with criticising dumbed down media?

If I read a BNP publication does it mean I can no longer criticise fascism?

That doesn't cohere.

You were the one who brought up Hello, in a critical fashion. The implication was that you disapproved of the culture it represented. Well, fine; that's your right. But I merely pointed out that "Hello culture" is no better or worse than online discussion culture, just different.

 

[exosculate]

fantastic

Green Giant.

 

[exosculate]

That doesn't cohere.

You were the one who brought up Hello, in a critical fashion. The implication was that you disapproved of the culture it represented. Well, fine; that's your right. But I merely pointed out that "Hello culture" is no better or worse than online discussion culture, just different.

Its much different because the level of discussion is better. My point is that 'Hello Culture' is worse than this thread. Unless people like your good self are regular contributors to that rag?

 

[danny la rouge]

My point is that 'Hello Culture' is worse than this thread.

Your view is that this is so. But based on what? The fact that I post here but don't write for Hello? Cheers, but no. Reading Hello is a way that some people choose to fill their time, as is posting on this thread. It's a choice, though, and you choose the latter. But were someone to tell you it's vacuous to spend so much time on the internet having pointless discussions with people you haven't met, you'd say "mind your own business - I work all day, I'll do what I want with my own time".

 

[Dubversion]

Its much different because the level of discussion is better. My point is that 'Hello Culture' is worse than this thread. Unless people like your good self are regular contributors to that rag?

That is one of the weakest arguments you've trundled out yet. Do you not think that a great deal of the 'celebrity culture' you seem to abhore so intensely is based as much on 'irony' and people having a look at Hello to feel better about themselves as it is people taking it seriously? Is your media studies module so underpowered that you haven't yet considered how nobody really takes all this seriously, not just highbrow types like your good self?

 

[scifisam]

I don't like Jade because she is vacuous. She is symbolic of an age of dumbed down celebrity being fed 24/7 to the public, in place of far more interesting stuff that the powers that be would rather we do not think about.

But I don't single her out, there are plenty of other vacuous people in sport, soap operas, boy/girl bands etc.

They are all vile creations of a system that wishes us all to cease thinking.

I don't like Jade because of what she represents, just like all the other annoying tools thrust in our face at ever given opportunity.

Fuck the vacuous thats what i say, see the terrible disease that has been inflicted upon us for what it is.

The difference between Jade Goody and the sports people and those in bands or soaps is that they are at least doing something. The sports people, in particular, have to be very talented and hard-working - any unintelligence is an aside.

Plus, if someone is that good at a sport, they must be intelligent in at least one way: David Beckham usd to be criticised for being stupid, but he managed to think out lots of amazing shots and captain a team, so he can't be that much of a dumb-arse, just not intellectual.

The people in boybands and so on, at least those who make a go of it, usually have some singing talent (Posh excepted, but her fame was first built on her band-mates, some of whom could sing, and then on her talented sporty husband). I don't know enoug about soap actors to comment on whether their acting is good, but some clearly are good actors.

I don't dislike Jade herself either, just what she represents. So in the general run of things I agree with you. I certainly agree with you more than those who laud her for being ..... um, what? Real? Why is stupidity more real than average intelligence?

I tried watching the show for a few minutes earlier, but it was all Jade's Mum farting in the dark. If it becomes more about Ken Russel and Jermaine Jackson and so on, it might be worth watching. That was just boring.

 

[Dubversion]

what a load of self-justifying bullshit, scifi sam

 

[clandestino]

Leo's going mad!


The live feed at the moment is excellent. This is precisely what I want fro CBB.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

nice attitude

Yep, I'm proud of it, spent my formative years developing it while living amongst people just like her in Essex.

 

[Dubversion]

Yep, I'm proud of it, spent my formative years developing it while living amongst people just like her in Essex.

She seems like quite a sweet girl to me. Has she personally done you any harm, or are you just a bigot?

 

[danny la rouge]

The difference between Jade Goody and the sports people and those in bands or soaps is that they are at least doing something.

Jade is doing something. She's appearing on a very popular entertainment form. Are you really saying being in Steps or Girls Aloud is of more worth than being a TV personality?

Professional football is a children's playground game played by overpaid narcissists. So some people are quite good at it, so what? My brother was good at Rubik's Cube in 1980 - nobody wanted to give him £20 000 a week. Celebrity is arbitrary; if you like football, you'll think footballers deserve their celebrity, if you don't you won't.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

She seems like quite a sweet girl to me. Has she personally done you any harm, or are you just a bigot?

I'd hardly call not being impressed by someone who's fame comes from being thick as shit bigotry.

 

[exosculate]

Do you not think that a great deal of the 'celebrity culture' you seem to abhore so intensely is based as much on 'irony' and people having a look at Hello to feel better about themselves as it is people taking it seriously?

Of course which for the most part is what many on this thread are doing. Many people sadly do not do that, they just become consumed by this nonsense.

Which certainly reinforces deference/conformity in my view.

Thats really at the heart of the critique of celebrity culture for me.

 

[exosculate]

I'd hardly call not being impressed by someone who's fame comes from being thick as shit bigotry.

I don't think you're a bigot kid.

 

[Belushi]

Jades obviously not very well educated but I suspect she very far from being thick as shit.

I like her, shes no Einstein but she comes across as a friendly, well meaning sort.

But she's white working class so a member of one of the few groups its still socially acceptable for the middle classes to despise

 

[sheothebudworths]

I would read Hello, but it's too fucking pricey so I stick to the odd copy of Closer or Heat (good reading material for the bog).

 

[Dubversion]

I'd hardly call not being impressed by someone who's fame comes from being thick as shit bigotry.

you seem to be contradicting yourself. A moment ago you had a problem with 'people like her'. What people like her? "Stupid" people?

Is being "stupid" suddenly offensive to you in some way? Do you think you're better than her because you believe her to be stupid and yourself to be intelligent?

She's famous because some cynical researchers at C4 thought Jade would be somebody that would add to the ratings in the original BB series she was on - perhaps they thought, like you, that her "stupidity" was something to be sneered at, something to give others a laugh at her expense. Then followed her vilification in the press.

Seems to me that she's winning, really. And in the process, still seems to be very aware of why she's famous and why she's on the show. She certainly doesn't appear to have any illusions about herself, really.

I'm sure she doesn't think she's better than others, which makes her a nicer person than you

 

[Sweaty Betty]

jade bragging about being on the papers 3x a week and dropping in how she is the 25th most influential celebrity in the world......

a) she is dissapearing up her backside

b) she couldnt pronounce it or knew what it meant...

She was ok i thought untill she trounced in on this CBB, dont think she will come out of this looking as good as she did the last time she left the house

 

[danny la rouge]

Jades obviously not very well educated but I suspect she very far from being thick as shit.

I like her, shes no Einstein but she comes across as a friendly, well meaning sort.

But she's white working class so a member of one of the few groups its still socially acceptable for the middle classes to despise

I think that cuts to the root of things.

 

[Dubversion]

Of course which for the most part is what many on this thread are doing. Many people sadly do not do that, they just become consumed by this nonsense.

Which certainly reinforces deference/conformity in my view.

Thats really at the heart of the critique of celebrity culture for me.

Are they? Are they really 'consumed by this nonsense'? Really?

Or are they entirely aware that it's bullshit, and just use it as a form of escapism / a bit of a laugh. A bit like, i dunno, you are

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Jades obviously not very well educated but I suspect she very far from being thick as shit.

I like her, shes no Einstein but she comes across as a friendly, well meaning sort.

But she's white working class so a member of one of the few groups its still socially acceptable for the middle classes to despise

Hmmm, I doubt that, I reckon she's just got a good agent (aint it the same one as that talentless cunt Russell Brand or whatever his name is?). As for the middle class comment, no idea what you're talking about. I'm of the same "class" as her and what difference does it make?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Are they? Are they really 'consumed by this nonsense'? Really?

Or are they entirely aware that it's bullshit, and just use it as a form of escapism / a bit of a laugh. A bit like, i dunno, you are

well put....

 

[exosculate]

I think that cuts to the root of things.

I don't think so, and her dad was black anyway as far as i recall.

 

[exosculate]

Are they? Are they really 'consumed by this nonsense'? Really?

Or are they entirely aware that it's bullshit, and just use it as a form of escapism / a bit of a laugh. A bit like, i dunno, you are

Some are and some aren't.

Anyway i thought you hated BB - wot you doing on this thread.

 

[exosculate]

well put....

Oi!

Only feminists allowed on here.

 

[danny la rouge]

her dad was black anyway as far as i recall.

You know very well that isn't the point. The point is she's a "chav". And middle class folks think sneering at "uneducated" chavs is just fine. But it isn't fine. It isn't fine at all.