Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Yossarian]

The thing is, you don't blame the victim of bullying for the bullying - nothing she did deserved the treatment she got. Nothing.

Mayeb not, but only a small percentage of what happens in the house makes in onto the highlights, and some of what I've seen of Shilpa on the show makes me suspect she might be a complete pain in the arse to be stuck in an environment as weird and pressurised as the BB house.

The stuff about the Oxo cubes definitely reminded me of one or two pain-in-the-arse types I've encountered in houseshares...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I do feel though that for a mixed race person

she's not... mixed race.... she lied... can we please clear this up...

Goody previously had a stormy, on and off relationship with TV presenter and fellow reality television regular Jeff Brazier who is the father of her two sons, Bobby Jack, born a month early on June 6, 2003 and Freddie, born in September 2004. Goody has stated she is of mixed race, but that was confirmed as a lie to only gain more fame. The real problem is that her mother Jackiey has not told

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Goody#Personal_life

 

[The Sick Anchor]

doesn't say that on the link though

 

[exosculate]

doesn't say that on the link though

Thats what I thought.

Although quite why it matters, how this has any relation to whether someone is being racist, is beyond me.

 

[The Sick Anchor]

doesn't matter in the slightest you're right, but as everything else surrounding this seems to be being dissected and deconstructed to the nth degree, it's just in keeping with the general approach

 

[danny la rouge]

no - I wouldn't but Germaine Greer's article in particular showed a different view point.

I read that, and it made me feel sick, to be honest. Are there really people who agreed with it?

 

[Pieface]

well 18% of people voted against Shilpa for whatever reason - that could be one of them.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

The thing is, you don't blame the victim of bullying for the bullying - nothing she did deserved the treatment she got. Nothing.

That isn't the same as saying if there had been no bullying we might not have found her annoying, but being annoying doesn't make you deserving of a campaign of bullying. And of the racism Danielle, and to a lesser extent Jo, is guilty of.

sorry danny but what racism exactly is jo guilty of she is certainly complicit in the bullying with out doubt (although as i have previously said she seems so mentally fucked up and depressed anyways that she is prolly in fear of beign bullied herself however this isn't an excuse) danelle is a nasty piece of work who will no doubt get her come uppence next week... in front of a live audence too which might be no bad thing as she needs to be confronted with her arrogant ways and abhorent viewpoint.

 

[Cowley]

A lot seemed staged. And Jade said something in the interview about something everyone had told her not to say. What was that? Who was the everyone? Housemates? Producers? What?

I wanted Jade to be shown video of Danielle and Jo. Especially Danielle being two-faced, and racist. Because I wanted to see how she reacted, if that aided her understanding. But I guess the production company want to think they've put the racism to rest now that Jade is gone. But in fact the real racist is still in the house.

The whole thing is a sham....a game that has gone beyond a joke.

I agree with you on the Danielle and Jo thing....horrible nasty racists who have no backbone.

 

[danny la rouge]

doesn't matter in the slightest you're right

Yeah. I think someone ought to spell it out, though, just in case there's anyone who might not be up to speed: people of any racial background can be racist.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

doesn't say that on the link though

it bloody did a second ago when i quoted it in my post...

wonder why it would be edited and then locked...

 

[Fingers]

I think she did know. She wasn't nearly shocked enough and sources I trust (taps nose) said that whoever was evicted would be talked to in the hour between the shows (hence the shortened highlights package)

i watched the hour in between on E4 and there was no talking to, Jade was sat round stuffing her porky face with food and generally looking like she was going to shit herself.

 

[Yossarian]

I read that, and it made me feel sick, to be honest. Are there really people who agreed with it?

I wouldn’t say I agreed wholeheartedly with her but I think she made some good points – what’s wrong with a bit of cynicism?

 

[sheothebudworths]

wonder why it would be edited and then locked...

It's the point of wiki isn't it ...that anyone can add to it (which means you sometimes get stupid additions, neccessitating the entry being locked till everyone's knocked it off ).

 

[Treacle Toes]

imo, a lot of liberals have wanted to see racism

There has been racism on the show though, albeit not Jade's biggest 'crime'.... ( others were clearly more overt)

What is her biggest 'crime' depends which angle you look at it from...

Being a celeb made by BB and thinking she had weathered the biggest storm last time? Should have realised that the growing she did in the last 4 years didn't mean she was untouchable?

Being an insecure, vindictve bully? Should be more secure and not let her ego take over? Begrudging anyone who seems to have had an easier life than her and not being able to hide her sheer insane jealousy of that?

Not realising that 'pop' will eat itself, and therefore she wasn't inedible? live by the sword and all that.....Not realising that she would be endemol's sacrifical lanb when push came to shove?

Probably doing, what she did at school, be far too honest and think just because she is hurting/has hurt that everyone is/should be as outspoken as her...the kind of, yes i fucked up approach but who's perfect?

For me, the whole thing is bigger than and pre-dates Jade Goody......

 

[danny la rouge]

sorry danny but what racism exactly is jo guilty of .

For one, it was her who made the comments about food preparation and hygiene which included the comment about that's why Indians are all so thin, it's because they get food poisoning from not cooking chicken properly.

Why is that racist? Because it picks on cultural things she doesn't understand (eating and preparing food with your hands [although burgers are eaten with your hands, but she wasn't looking for similarities]), and connects it to a hurtful joke about Indian malnutrition and famine.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

It's the point of wiki isn't it ...that anyone can add to it (which means you sometimes get stupid additions, neccessitating the entry being locked till everyone's knocked it off ).

yeah i jsut find it odd that it would remain until quoted here and then is removed and then some random poster here starts saying it doesn't say that.. oddness.. :shrugs:

 

[danny la rouge]

what’s wrong with a bit of cynicism?

Nothing, in general. But blaming the victim always leaves a bad taste. Try this one out on Germaine: "That rape victim was asking for it by her provocative behaviour". Not a pleasant point of view.

 

[Treacle Toes]

she's not... mixed race.... she lied... can we please clear this up...

So her father was not mixed race then?

 

[sheothebudworths]

Yes he was, someone's pissing about with the wiki entry (nothing surprising in that either surely Garf, given the recent stories?).

 

[The Sick Anchor]

yeah i jsut find it odd that it would remain until quoted here and then is removed and then some random poster here starts saying it doesn't say that.. oddness.. :shrugs:

if your implying i removed it you're way of there pal, i always thought it was true that she was mixed race so i followed your link out of interest

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

For one, it was her who made the comments about food preparation and hygiene which included the comment about that's why Indians are all so thin, it's because they get food poisoning from not cooking chicken properly.

Why is that racist? Because it picks on cultural things she doesn't understand (eating and preparing food with your hands [although burgers are eaten with your hands, but she wasn't looking for similarities]), and connects it to a hurtful joke about Indian malnutrition and famine.

this still seems like an assumption, how do you know that jo doesn't understand, and wasn't meant in anay way other than well done you nearly gave us food posioing...

i think people are carring far to mcuh of their own preconceptions and carryign those through on to the housemates...

thoug i ddin't see that comemtn so can't comment on the percived intent behind it though jo strikes me as some one who's not goign to be happy in that house regardless... she just seems really depressed...

 

[Yossarian]

Nothing, in general. But blaming the victim always leaves a bad taste. Try this one out on Germaine: "That rape victim was asking for it by her provocative behaviour". Not a pleasant point of view.

I don’t think you can really draw too many parallels between rape victims and game show contestants.

 

[Jazzz]

I tuned in for that. In fact it's only the last two days I've watched BB. Oh dear Jade!

 

[danny la rouge]

she's not... mixed race.... she lied... can we please clear this up...

Goody has stated she is of mixed race, but that was confirmed as a lie to only gain more fame. The real problem is that her mother Jackiey has not told

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Goody#Personal_life

In the link it says only: "Goody had a stormy, on and off relationship with TV presenter and fellow reality television regular Jeff Brazier, the father of her two sons, Bobby Jack, born a month early on June 6, 2003 and Freddie, born in September 2004. Goody has stated she is of mixed race. [24]" End of paragraph.

It hasn't been confirmed as a lie. And the claim isn't even on Wikipedia any more.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don’t think you can really draw too many parallels between rape victims and game show contestants.

I'm not; I'm saying blaming the victim (of other people's behaviour) isn't something we should do.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So her father was not mixed race then?

dunno no evidence either way there was summit on her wiki which had been there all week til i post it up here on urban and then it's removed ... so i retract it as i ahev no way of backing it up other than what i quoted which was there but has now been removed if someone knows how to post up the revisions thingys then maybe they can see the ealier one... still think it's d considering that there was a large number of vandalism comments and reverts which were done over the week according to the history none of whihc remove the comment....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

In the link it says only: "Goody had a stormy, on and off relationship with TV presenter and fellow reality television regular Jeff Brazier, the father of her two sons, Bobby Jack, born a month early on June 6, 2003 and Freddie, born in September 2004. Goody has stated she is of mixed race. [24]" End of paragraph.

It hasn't been confirmed as a lie. And the claim isn't even on Wikipedia any more.

do keep up danny ....

what was there was what i quoted... look at the revisions if you don't beleive me... dearie...

 

[niclas]

Sorry to sound cynical

On the radio tonight it said that the Indian Tourist Board was inviting Jade to come to the country for a better understanding of the place.

Some TV producer probably thought "wow, that'd make a great doc". As in car-crash telly.

More to the point, Jade's PR people are probably organising it as we speak (with all the money going to some Indian orphanage charidee )

A couple of bogus death threats and she will be redeemed, unfortunately.

 

[Treacle Toes]

dunno no evidence either way there was summit on her wiki which had been there all week til i post it up here on urban and then it's removed ... so i retract it as i ahev no way of backing it up other than what i quoted which was there but has now been removed if someone knows how to post up the revisions thingys then maybe they can see the ealier one... still think it's d considering that there was a large number of vandalism comments and reverts which were done over the week according to the history none of whihc remove the comment....

Scroll down to see pics. Yes he was indeed mixed race.