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Can I join the Army?

While the Army Reserve will take you. You should speak to a career advisor if you want to go full time. A lot of roles other than infantry put you on the front line. Raf Regiment is also a good idea. If you want to be a sniper RAF regiment is probably your only option as you are a bit old for the infantry it is a hard physical role. Sniping is even harder lots of crawling lots of navigation and observation exercises. The shooting was the easy bit. Unless you are an exemplary soldier you are not going to get on the course let alone pass it. Good luck whatever you decide on.
 
You mentioned earlier that you were a socialist and a Marxist. If you are on record or have joined any organisations it can mess with your vetting. I was in the military in my youth (1970's) and I guess these things do not change much. My Grandad was on record as being a communist in the 1930s and that held up my vetting for ten weeks (ten weeks of hell in Holding and Drafting Company). Different roles have different levels of vetting but I think if you were on record as being an active member of any thing Marxist related it could cause problems. Think rather than know.
 
mather, this is a difficult time for you, and all the respondents saying it'll be difficult for you to join the forces, although they're probably correct, probably haven't helped with motivation. You have talents and skills you don't know you have yet, and you don't know about them because you haven't been tested. There are a gabillion things you can do with your life but anything worthwhile will be difficult at first, it will require effort. It may well be worthwhile taking a job you don't much fancy doing, as a way into the job market and possibly as a way into particular organisations. It may mean studying, which is hard, if you haven't done it for a while (I'm 55 and studying and it fair makes my head hurt) but whatever you spend your effort on, every minute's worth of effort repays itself tenfold in all kinds of ways.

I can't help you without knowing more details about your personal situation but if you feel like taking this further then please do PM me.
 
oooh just remembered watching a couple of eps. of this recent specimen of that reality tv staple the fly on the wall armed forces training documentary . It was the actual royal marines green beret training - which must be one of the monst intensvie infantry training courses going but they still actually had 2 recruits aged 31 according to this - Frykman & Marks :

Royal Marines Commando School - Channel 4 - Info - Press

there's an ARSSE thread on it here :

Royal Marines Commando School
 
A mate of mine fought in the Falklands. Now, 35 years on, he's struggling to cope with the idea that he killed people, killed kids basically who didn't want to be there. Was in the navy and loved lots of it, but this is the legacy of the military, and it invariably seems to come with age. He's off work atm, in therapy, and struggling to hold himself together as sad thoughts flood his mind.

I know a few older people who saw action in various British fuck-ups, including Suez and Burma, and there is a pattern there - the older you get, the worse it becomes. The army fucks people up.

I'm sorry for your friend and hope he recovers and finds the peace of mind he deserves. I have no idea how I would react to killing someone and not everyone who does is affected to the degree that some are, such as your friend. Of course I don't want to to end up in a similar situation but I'm running out of time and if military service is the only way I can both support myself and my family, then whatever happens to me is a price worth paying, for their sake rather than mine as I want to do this for them more than myself.
 
I'm sorry for your friend and hope he recovers and finds the peace of mind he deserves. I have no idea how I would react to killing someone and not everyone who does is affected to the degree that some are, such as your friend. Of course I don't want to to end up in a similar situation but I'm running out of time and if military service is the only way I can both support myself and my family, then whatever happens to me is a price worth paying, for their sake rather than mine as I want to do this for them more than myself.
I was only idly reading this thread and have no expertise, but I feel like there's something here you're not admitting to. If you really just want to earn a good wage, support your family, and potentially avoid fighting in some ill-advised colonial war, at the very least I'd expect you to be trying to avoid the front-line fighting. I mean, being dead or having PTSD won't be the most helpful things for your family. Yet you actually seem to be pushing yourself forward for the most front-line role, even though most army jobs appropriate for your age are non front line. Why do you think infantry and such roles would be the best way to support your family? Or is there something else motivating your choices?
 
... Of course I don't want to to end up in a similar situation but I'm running out of time and if military service is the only way I can both support myself and my family, then whatever happens to me is a price worth paying, for their sake rather than mine as I want to do this for them more than myself.

Sorry Mather, but if this is all you're doing it for then it simply won't work.

The only way you'll get through the stress of training and then the working life is it being what you want to do with your life. No other motivation is going to get you through it.

A career in the military may well be for you, but you need to get away from a place that, from the outside, looks a lot like desperation and despair - give yourself the care you have given others, we all know that carers pay a heavy price, go and see your GP...
 
Hi mather, fuck the forces mate, do something that will make you proud of yourself. My best friend was your age when she was diagnosed with Dystonia and really thought her life was over, mostly due to the fact it took a couple of years to find a good specialist that got her meds right. She still struggled on aimlessly for a few years but at age 40 she decided to go to college for a year then she did a part time BSC in Social Work. First year she was at uni most days but year 2 only about once or twcie a month, year 3 and 4 was placements, invaluable for job experience. If you have allready been to college and done a year at uni then you should be familiar with learning, it should set you up nicely to get back into the swing of things. It sounds like with your life experience of caring for family, social work could be right up your street. Caring for family is incredibly hard and and you obviously know that. My friend is now absolutley loving her job, shes part of a reviweing and assesment team, life has purpose and shes never been happier. So although your circumstances feel and look bleak, its never too late. Not trying to push you back into education but, its something to consider. I was in my 30s when i went to uni, after leavin school with no qualifications and drifiting in and ouit of shit jobs for many years, depression almost killed me before i enrolled at college..GL whatever you decide to do. Thers lots of different jobs in social work, my friend works in adult care, and visits a few homes a week then works from home writing up assesments, its not taxing or emotionally draining, she brings sunshine into the elderly residents life with her warm smile and friendly socialble personailty..proper loves it she does, shes here with me this morning recovering after a night and day on the lash yesterday..

Have you looked at apprenticeships? Either for a trade or a degree-level apprenticeship?

As I said in my last post, time is running out. As my brothers are getting older, some of the benefits and entitlements that they currently receive are due to end soon on account of their age. This means less money for my family all round and unless I can fill the gap, we will start going hungry. This year is literally make or break and for that very reason I can't afford to spend a year or three years at some university. I can't afford it timewise and moneywise as universities are not free and I literally have no money to pay to go to university and I refuse to get into debt for more studying. I have already incurred student debt from the one year I did at Kingston University before I dropped out and I have yet to pay back single penny for that debt.

Last year I did a three month course at City University in creative writing and journalism (writing is my one passion in life) and it only only cost me £350, which took me a bit of time to save up but was a manageable amount. I would like to become a freelance journalist, that is my dream career. But I know freelance work is not a guaranteed income and it's hard enough to to support myself on that, impossible if I want to support my family too. I have pitched a few articles (Morning Star mostly) but so far no luck, apparently other people pitched their articles on the same topic and got in there before I did. I'm not going to give up on trying to get into journalism/writing but it is going to be a long process, my tutor told me as much during my course.

If anyone has ideas of getting into journalism then I am all ears but social work is not for me.
 
I can't help you without knowing more details about your personal situation but if you feel like taking this further then please do PM me.

I have already described my situation in detail throughout this thread, please re-read it.
 
you will never be out of work, will earn decent money and you can do the exams on a flexible basis. if you need a longer term strategy, its a bit more secure than the forces. and accountants rarely get sent to seething dusty shitholes where everyone wants to kill you. Well, maybe in Middlesboro....
 
If you really need money and are willing to do demanding and dangerous work that takes you away from your family, oil rigs or fishing trawlers might be a better bet than the Army.

Thanks but neither of those options appeals to me, sorry. My entire career history to date has been doing shit jobs I hated and I want to finally do something that I enjoy as well as supporting my family.
 
you will never be out of work, will earn decent money and you can do the exams on a flexible basis. if you need a longer term strategy, its a bit more secure than the forces. and accountants rarely get sent to seething dusty shitholes where everyone wants to kill you. Well, maybe in Middlesboro....

Sorry, no. Not interested, I fucking hate accounting. I want to so something I love and accountancy along with law/legal work is the very last thing I would want to do.
 
have you looked the careers websites I posted?

No. I will later but I need to take a few days to just clear my head, the more I think about all this the more down and depressed I'm feeling. Before anything else I just need to get some air and clear my head, the stress is really starting to get to me.
 
There are always vacancies pretty much everywhere supporting people with learning disabilities and / or mental health needs. It's not amazing pay to start; minimum wage but you wouldn't be on that for long if you got regular hours from one employer rather than an agency. As long as you aint working for an agency there can be career progression too - and it saves on being physically and psychologically bullied and broken by the military. No age limit on beginning, most companies / charities will offer on-the-job training leading to recognized qualifications (usually NVQs). The people you'll work with are mostly nice, decent people, and there are a number of career paths to follow from 'the bottom', so to speak.

I have three brothers who are autistic, one of them more so than the other two and he is unlikely to ever get a job so if I can't support him no one will. If we lived in a decent world he would be supported for his entire life, but we don't and the welfare state and all the support it provides looks like it won't be around in the future with the way things are going.

That will certainly be the case if nobody wants to do the work.
 
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It's worth baring in mind that recruitment into the forces is not quick - 6 months to a year is about average - if you need money now, go to Peterborough or Huntingdon and get agricultural/picking work. It's fucking hard grind, but the money is better than minimum wage.

You are not going to get into the forces given the way you describe your motivation. Given how much it costs to recruit someone, train them and have them leave 8 weeks into their career, the Army takes a great deal of care to try and weed out those who don't want it enough to get through the unrelenting grimness of phase one training. You don't - it appears - want to join for the right reasons, and you will bin it the fist time you throw up on a run, or get your kit thrown across the room because your uniform was stacked in the wrong order, or you wake up in wet clothes in the pissing rain on a bleak training area knowing you've a full days graft ahead of you.

I know that, and your recruiter will know that 5 minutes after meeting you.

Get your head sorted out, decide if the Army is something you want to do for yourself, and then think about it.
 
PFA (personal fitness assessment) standards for your age:
46 press ups in 2 mins
41 sit ups in 2 mins
1.5 miles in 11 minutes

AFT(annual fitness test)
8miles carrying 20kg (infantry) in full kit in 2 hrs over varying (usually hilly) terrain

And that's just the must do fitness tests. Infantry regiments do AFTs for fun. It's HARD for older guys, even for ones that have been in for years and are conditioned to it.

But I think it would be the rank structure and lack of peers that would really have you. Being bawled out by some snippy little 20 something lance Jack etc. Honestly, look elsewhere.
 
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