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California wildfires are “historic”
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LA fires live: ‘Arsonist with flamethrower’ tied up by residents in citizens arrest
An alleged arsonist suspected of sparking the latest fire in Los Angeles was found with what neighbours described as a “large propane tank or flamethrower”.www.telegraph.co.uk
All I’m seeing now is that someone was “allegedly heard attempting to light a fire”. He was subsequently booked for a felony probation violation, no probable cause to hold him on arson charges.
Slebs cursing him on their feeds. This story will either disappear or turn into a cats-and-dogs story, with homeless people being accused and castigated.
Arson is always investigated for wildfires. But it could so easily have been caused by someone flipping a cigarette butt out the window of a moving car. Without the Santa Ana blowing the rapid and wide spread wouldn’t have happened.
New evacuation orders in place for a new fire in the Palisades.
Conspiracists asking why the trees and bushes haven’t been burnt to ashes when the houses were completely consumed… “just’ saying’…” etc. There comes a point when ignorance becomes wilful.
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For those who like maps and stats and facts…..
There’s another large wildfire burning in Arizona. Firefighters are tackling it in the midst of snow and freezing conditions. They’ve managed to contain it.
This is the most recent report, but it’s been burning since Dec 14…
ktar.com
There’s another large wildfire burning in Arizona. Firefighters are tackling it in the midst of snow and freezing conditions. They’ve managed to contain it.
This is the most recent report, but it’s been burning since Dec 14…
Horton Fire update: Firefighters make progress in snowstorm
Firefighters worked through a winter storm on Thursday to significantly increase containment on the Horton Fire northeast of Payson.
ktar.com
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Paul Kegan
Donald Trump should be lauding the politicians of California who have shown such dedication to the principle of the “small state” that they cut funding for fire hydrants and other fire fighting measures. No greater love hath a neo-liberal for his or her principles than that are prepared to lay down the lives of others to uphold them.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I know little of the politics or urban, social geography of LA, but I did notice that this BBC News map showing the spatial extent of the Eaton fire shows the dreadful destruction of large residential "working-class" districts in Altadena.
Obviously the media will be drawn to the film-star villas on the beach, but it is clear that many of those least able to afford uninsured losses will have been devastated.
weltweit
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The LA fires seem to have completely taken over BBC R4 today, I was napping and watching and on and on went the LA press conference, what has this to do with me I thought, not a lot, wtf are they showing it, I wondered is there no other news in the world.
Boring, well worth a perhaps minute, there are many fires around LA, there has been property damage, 11 people have been killed, ok, on to the next story ..
But no BBC R4 dwelt and dwelt on it .. numpties!
Boring, well worth a perhaps minute, there are many fires around LA, there has been property damage, 11 people have been killed, ok, on to the next story ..
But no BBC R4 dwelt and dwelt on it .. numpties!
spring-peeper
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I'm more upset seeing all the dead forest animal bodies than I am about the destruction of houses and buildings.
2hats
Dust.
Altadena is relatively affluent (compared to other cities, districts in the US; though obviously not Malibu-adjacent affluent).
(Have visited around there often - friends and colleagues being based at JPL, CalTech and nearby observatories - one place I used to stay at has definitely burnt down).
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Ta, I was careful to highlight my ignorance and appreciate some local knowledge. Still shit, obvs.
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Here’s a pretty decent outline of the different factors at play with these fires.
www.theguardian.com
Santa Ana winds are hot and dry from inland, and fast. So they dry the air and vegetation, and push the flames.
The winds make it more tricky for airborne fire fighting.
Urban water tanks are not intended for firefighting and ran dry.
Recent rains after drought increased vegetation, then more drought, which is now drying everything out so it becomes tinder and fuel for the fires.
Climate change makes any fires more likely, and more likely to be more destructive.
No doubt other factors will be added to this, but even without infrastructure errors, political stuff, socioeconomic factors or whatever else, these points alone add up to a huge increase in risk for fires like this.
Visual explainer: why are the LA wildfires so bad?
Santa Ana winds, drought and a hotter planet have helped exacerbate the fires in California
Santa Ana winds are hot and dry from inland, and fast. So they dry the air and vegetation, and push the flames.
The winds make it more tricky for airborne fire fighting.
Urban water tanks are not intended for firefighting and ran dry.
Recent rains after drought increased vegetation, then more drought, which is now drying everything out so it becomes tinder and fuel for the fires.
Climate change makes any fires more likely, and more likely to be more destructive.
No doubt other factors will be added to this, but even without infrastructure errors, political stuff, socioeconomic factors or whatever else, these points alone add up to a huge increase in risk for fires like this.
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