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Burma - explanation please!

TAE said:
There is talk of a protest march in London on Sunday:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=6535493#post6535493

Does anyone here know any more about this?
There have been daily protests outside the Chinese Embassy from earlier this week, so if anyone can stop by there I'd imagine people there will know the details. If all else fails we could just head to the Chinese Embassy early on Sunday - bound to be able to work it out from there. :)

We'll be heading down for sure; for a victory march obv as Burma is prolly free already.;)
 
Except that the march is meant to be going "From Trafalgar Square to the Burmese Embassy"

;)
 
TAE said:
Except that the march is meant to be going "From Trafalgar Square to the Burmese Embassy"

;)
Burma has an Embassy here? I assumed not; my bad.
 
xposted for relevance

ymu said:
29 Sep 07, 11:30 - MyoThant: A group of 88-generation activists are urging UN and US & UK embassies in Rangoon to open a 1-page web service via WIFI access to general public just to submit news photos (with user name: 2007, pw: 2007). Please write to them to request this.

http://burmamyanmargenocide.blogspot.com/


British Foreign & Commonwealth Office should be pestered too, I guess.

Embassy contacts:
British Embassy, Rangoon
HM Ambassador to Burma: Mark Canning

British Embassy
80 Strand Road (Box No 638)
Rangoon

Telephone: (95) (1) 370863
Facsimile: (95) (1) 370866
Email: [email protected] (Consular Enquiries)

Office Hours:
GMT:
Mon-Thurs: 0130-1000; Fri: 0130-0630
Local Time:
Mon-Fri: 0800-1630; Fri: 0800-1300


Have added this to the indymedia post, should come through shortly; indymedia have box-highlighted it on the newswire; I'll add new stuff as it comes, but anyone can so please do. https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/382294.html
 
UK Ambassador implying that the Junta cannot win from here, on internal and external grounds (people won't give up, unprecedented external support for UN action). BBC now.

Mark Canning (UK Ambassador) has done some fantastic interviews; deserves a (personal) note of thanks when all this is over.
 
Mark Canning is a great bloke and, I completely agree, his interviews have been very informative. The embassy team he's assembled are totally dedicated to Burma and do as much as they can within tight strictures imposed on them by the regime.
 
Thanks froggy; xposted it on the newswire/action thread. :)

Chances of Daw Suu Kyi accepting a crap compromise Purves? What's the minimum NLD will agree to?
 
ymu said:
Chances of Daw Suu Kyi accepting a crap compromise Purves? What's the minimum NLD will agree to?
ASSK will reiterate the NLD's seemingly modest demands - restoration of political dialogue and release of political prisoners.

When her period of house arrest came up for renewal in 2006 - they renew it each year, sometime in April iirc - there were very strong rumours she was about to be released. Weird goings on outside her house, strange statements coming from the junta about her. Everyone was ready for a massive party. And then on Saturday morning came the news - yet another year of house arrest.

Everyone was so deflated and somewhat mystified. Even in Rumoursville her release had seemed a dead cert. Couldn't understand it, but later it emerged that she'd been offered a compromise deal. She would have had to cease all political activities and avoid 'instigating unrest', whatever that means. No way would she accept that. So it was inside for another year, and later came a further extention again this year.

Power sharing, govts of national unity etc etc that can all be worked out later but the NLD won't shift from those two key demands.
 
purves grundy said:
ASSK will reiterate the NLD's seemingly modest demands - restoration of political dialogue and release of political prisoners.

When her period of house arrest came up for renewal in 2006 - they renew it each year, sometime in April iirc - there were very strong rumours she was about to be released. Weird goings on outside her house, strange statements coming from the junta about her. Everyone was ready for a massive party. And then on Saturday morning came the news - yet another year of house arrest.

Everyone was so deflated and somewhat mystified. Even in Rumoursville her release had seemed a dead cert. Couldn't understand it, but later it emerged that she'd been offered a compromise deal. She would have had to cease all political activities and avoid 'instigating unrest', whatever that means. No way would she accept that. So it was inside for another year, and later came a further extention again this year.

Power sharing, govts of national unity etc etc that can all be worked out later but the NLD won't shift from those two key demands.
Thanks. I cheekily added that as context to the news article on the blog - let me know if that's not OK or you want it changing/summarised instead of verbatim. :)

http://thinkwell-daz.blogspot.com/
 
purves grundy said:
I'm just cracking on with the other writing now.
Cool. In the meantime, I've been asked to add some actual Burma news to this badly titled indymedia twiki feature: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UKBurmaActions

I'm updating this, the blog and the indymedia newswire in tandem as important developments emerge. Anyone can register and edit within seconds. I'm keeping on top of these threads, but anyone else is also free to do the same.
 
damnhippie said:
i have a limited understanding of the situation but i want to know more. sounds like the military are taking control of the place - which worries me. urban, please, help. i'm sure some here has a better grasp of what's going on.

thanks!

The military are not taking over.

They've been in total control for years.
 
There is another question i would quite like the answer to ...
do the people who make up the USDA (sp??) and the organisations of street thugs tend to agree with the aims of the regime or do they tend to be poor and desperate people who are just trying to pay bills?

also, on other threads people mentioned NLD MPs ... i presume that these are the MPs who should have been in 1988 yeah? because i had the impression that the junta had set up a kind of "parliament" and a road map to "democracy" that actually limited people's rights and was just rubber-stamping what they wanted to do.
 
more government propaganda ... god this shit makes me sick ... it would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic. :( :eek: :mad: :(

It does give an insight into the mind of these scum doesn't it??

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.mrtv3.net.mm/open3/080607for.html as retrieved on 27 Aug 2007 22:51:13 GMT.

A letter to dear Ma Suu
Dear Ma Suu
Don’t be angry with me for calling you Ma Suu. You are younger than me. I am a retired government senior official. I am still serving at a certain institution in the country to the best of my intellectual and physical ability.


I trust you have also heard about the unruly activities of NLD members holding prayer services at pagodas for your freedom. Some patriotic youths who could not tolerate such disturbing acts came in groups wearing T-shirts portraying the picture of you and your late husband Michael Aris. Some of them responding to the acts of NLDs of their own volition. They also wore T-shirts portraying the picture of you together with your two sons. You were only 27 years then.


Today’s youths have unyielding spirit and the spirit to love the race and nation and deep reverence for the religion. I hope you may know this. Their thoughts are advancing in this age of globalization. As you know, we are now in the age of Internet and E-mail. So, youths have much general knowledge and wider vision. They are watching the daily incidents in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are discussing Israel-Palestine problem. They download the world affairs including the news of Iran, North Korea and Africa.


You should not misjudge them. They are today’s youths. They are also watching Myanmar affairs. They know what is happening in Myanmar. They also listen to VOA, BBC, RFA and DVB. But those radio stations cannot trick them. They are intelligent and rational. They know the actual reason behind all those activities of NLDs — white campaign, letter campaign, Tuesday prayers at the Shwedagon and other pagodas for your freedom and White Sunday campaign to visit families of law breakers serving prison terms. They know that all those activities are being launched without goodwill. Those activities can be carried out peacefully. Youths know that committing the act only on Sundays in groups is not sincere. The perpetrators in reality are trying to cause unrest in the wards that are always peaceful. If the perpetrators have the real goodwill they should visit those families every day instead of going to them once. Do they really need to go in groups? It is sure that those perpetrators have no goodwill. Ma Suu, it is crystal clear that they are trying to make political gains and to cause disturbances.


The government has placed restriction order on you in your own house for four years. You can stay peacefully at your own house. You have nothing to worry. You have been receiving cent per cent health care services. You can practice vipassana. We both are now over 60-year-olds. You as a Buddhist may have belief in the law of Karma. Every action has its own reaction. You reap what you sow. You are under the command of your deeds of your previous existences. Your future existence will depend on what you do in this life. You should try to free yourselves from the Samsara (the cycle of rebirths) through practicing Bhavana throughout your remaining life.


Please do not think that I am lecturing you. I assume that ours is the only country in the world that keeps one harmful to national peace and stability in one’s own house. Most countries take severe action against such persons. You are permitted to stay in your own house under restriction order because our country has the teachings of the Buddha and the officials have sympathy and compassion. Even if other countries have such practice, we will excel in offering privileges and showing sympathy and consideration.


I would say you know who shouted in a rowdy way and incited mass protests in the places wherever you were. Among the people, some are in protest against and some are in support of you, and there may be a small or large gap between the numbers of your protesters and your supporters. However, I am sure you notice there is a growing number of people who dislike stirring up troubles and placing too much reliance on external elements in the activities. The Dabayin affairs was largely due to such activities, wasn’t it? If you had not gone there and given anti-government talks to gather a crowd, there would not have been the incident. It would be all right if you held talks with your party only at your office. I wonder why you did so. It was the result of your activities.


You know who are inciting mass protests in our country. They are a handful of people. The government is magnanimous and far-sighted. There will not be such problems any longer if the government arrests and jails all of them. Nonetheless, it is detaining just a few people who posed grave dangers. It is to your knowledge that the government shows benevolent attitude and ignores the cases that are not serious. You think over whether the government has done irresponsible activities such as it did not care anything and arrested all people who had violated the law and disrupted stability, peace and development of the nation.


Now, it is implementing a variety of development projects. And the representatives of various national races are holding discussions at the National Convention the government is convening. Who prevented your members from attending it, and drove them out of it? In reality, they walked out of the National Convention of their own accord.


The government is unremittingly striving in all sectors for transforming the nation into a discipline-flourishing democratic one. I wonder why you are desirous of creating public outrage to disrupt the drive, why you and your members stick to negative attitude to and fail to participate in the nation-building tasks. Your father is the national leader and the father of the Tatmadaw and it is undeniable. Nevertheless, you failed to preserve own lineage and married to a foreigner and gave births to Anglo-Myanmar sons to disgrace your father and harm his image. If your father were still alive, he would be heartrending for your choice of the life-long partner. The entire people were with a broken heart when they heard of your marriage.


By the way, I would like to recount the experiences. I think you still remember that. It was in 1972. At that time, I was in an arid region on duty. On 1 January 1972, you and your spouse Michael Aris were on your honeymoon. You left Yangon to Taungdwingyi by train and then to Natmauk. Then, you had to proceed to Bagan-NyaungU. At that time, there was no railroad to Bagan-NyaungU from Natmauk. So, you asked the then division level officer for help. In that regard, the division assigned duty to the district, and the responsibility was mine. At that time, I was provided with a Land Rover for my convenience in making field trips by an international organization. The division level officer instructed me to send it with a driver and petrol filled up to you.


Have sympathy for me, please. How could I be in the mood for making arrangements for your convenience with the automobile provided just for the nation? I was very sorry and moved to see your conditions. I submitted my personal feelings to the division level officer and declined to provide you the car. My superiors were equipped with patriotic spirit and they did not turn down my proposal. Then I made a trip to another township. I was downhearted, and had to ignore how you got to your destination. It was due to my patriotic spirit.

fucking hell :mad:
 
damnhippie said:
i have a limited understanding of the situation but i want to know more. sounds like the military are taking control of the place - which worries me. urban, please, help. i'm sure some here has a better grasp of what's going on.

thanks!


The SPGB blog, Socialism Or Your Money Back, has a post up:

Burma and "Democracy"
 
imposs1904 said:
The SPGB blog, Socialism Or Your Money Back, has a post up:

Burma and "Democracy"
Sadly it's totally fucking irrelevant and grossly patronising. The writer clearly has no inkling of the horrors which the ordinary person in Burma has to face, preferring to educate ignorant Burmese about the oh-so greater danger of US imperialism, the driving force behind the opposition movement.

There's a job waiting for you on The New Light of Myanmar.

Pathetic.
 
frogwoman said:
that's good ...
why/who bothers to write/read this shit then??
People buy the papers for births deaths etc, job ads, foreign news. Who writes it? Never bothered to find out. Most are pulped as there's a healthy range of independent journals and newspapers now. Heavily censored of course, staying far away from anything political.

And they could be much reduced now as many have refused to denounce the protests.
 
purves grundy said:
Sadly it's totally fucking irrelevant and grossly patronising. The writer clearly has no inkling of the horrors which the ordinary person in Burma has to face, preferring to educate ignorant Burmese about the oh-so greater danger of US imperialism, the driving force behind the opposition movement.

There's a job waiting for you on The New Light of Myanmar.

Pathetic.
Aye. I posted a comment (logged in as a mate, daz). :)
 
heh heh heh :oops:

Yuan, yen - s'all transliteration innit. Blast those economics papers I had to plough through!
 
gnoriac said:
Glad you let us know, I was just about to post a comment about how lame they were:
Also, there's plenty of crapuscular "analysis" on indymedia too if you fancy having a rant about it. I'm tackling just one of the many "CIA done it for the drug trade" conspiraloon articles on the newswire, which includes one of the other conspiratheorists responsible for another similar article.

Schnews also need a good kicking, IMO; unusually for them. I've listed the problems with the article but not got around to writing a response to them yet.:)
 
ymu said:
Also, there's plenty of crapuscular "analysis" on indymedia too if you fancy having a rant about it. I'm tackling just one of the many "CIA done it for the drug trade" conspiraloon articles on the newswire, which includes one of the other conspiratheorists responsible for another similar article.
One thing worth mentioning may be one of the reasons the generals don't rein in the narco-armies acting within their boundaries is they get into the odd scrap with the racial minority armies that cause the Burmese army such a headache. Still this has further implications, the heroin addiction / AIDS epidemics in South China. Not a safe bet for China's rulers.

ymu said:
Schnews also need a good kicking, IMO; unusually for them. I've listed the problems with the article but not got around to writing a response to them yet.:)
'Kin 'ell, who writes that stuff, 14 year old Stalinist?
:)
 
Summat like that. Please add what you can; I'm reaching the extent of my limited knowledge on these issues. :)
 
One point about schnews's stuff - 'ASSK signing on the dotted line with IMF / World Bank', would she have much choice? The generals will leave the country so utterly impoverished. It's already the worst country in the region for healthcare and education, and if you've been to Cambodia that's saying summat. The IMF's usual 'cure' for a country's impoverishment is a cutback on govt spending but there's sod all they could cut here. Might not stop them trying though.
 
gnoriac said:
One point about schnews's stuff - 'ASSK signing on the dotted line with IMF / World Bank', would she have much choice? The generals will leave the country so utterly impoverished. It's already the worst country in the region for healthcare and education, and if you've been to Cambodia that's saying summat. The IMF's usual 'cure' for a country's impoverishment is a cutback on govt spending but there's sod all they could cut here. Might not stop them trying though.
Loads of desperately poor countries are telling the IMF to fuck off; the former head of the World Bank (Joseph Stiglitz) is also popping up all over the place to explain why they're exactly right to do so; the World Bank is the sister organisation to the IMF, it funds their exploits and picks up the pieces. People there seem very unhappy at the inequity and wastage.

Also, Burma is rich, used to be a powerhouse in the region and not that much has changed; the Junta spend 40% of income on the military so they're free to steal the rest. As far as I can tell, and from what Purves has said, it is 100% of the people who will be immediately better off vs a literal handful of top military brass and their local business cronies.

I'm pretty sure the multiple opposition parties and independents - groups included in the government in exile - know the score. The IMF is US imperialism by proxy, but it's rapidly losing its grip on anyone and has serious internal opponents to current policies.
 
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