Brixton news, rumours and general chat: Summer - Autumn 2018

[klang]

Perhaps you don't think artists should be able to make a living from their work

what about photographers?

 

[editor]

Actually, that's a different image to the one that she asked me about. Same day though...

She's just told me that it is my pic. It certainly looks like it.

"Pocketing" makes it sounds like she's stealing. Perhaps you don't think artists should be able to make a living from their work?

I'm all for artists making a living from their work, but in this case she nicked my images and she's profiting from it. The amount of money doesn't really matter.

Typically, you've latched onto the most expensive item on her website, and given the impression that it's all that expensive. That's not the case, as a quick review of the site makes clear. This piece for example is £3. That's less than the price of a box of chicken....so hardly out of reach for most Brixton residents..

But the majority of her work is very, very expensive and totally unaffordable to many. I haven't even mentioned the £459 wallpaper!

I think that £3 is for the A4 sample, by the way!

I get that you're annoyed that she's used a photo uncredited (although I notice she credited all of the other photos used). I think you're unjustified in complaining that she's not donating ALL proceeds to charity. Do you think studio space, materials, paper and printing are free? Or perhaps you don't think artists deserve a living wage, because they're all 'yuppies', or get to enjoy what they do, rather than slaving for the man for 50 pence and a button?

It says that she's donating 50% of the PROFITS.

Or perhaps you don't think artists deserve a living wage, because they're all 'yuppies', or get to enjoy what they do, rather than slaving for the man for 50 pence and a button?.

I think artists should always be paid for their work, and credited too, unless they choose to do something for free.

Which is where I came in....

 

[blameless77]

OK - well I can see you're very pissed off about this - and that despite her offering to pay you for the photo, remove the work or otherwise make good on what was a genuine mistake, probably driven by trying to meet a deadline, you'd rather defame her on a public forum. She's not making any money out of it - that's the point. Do you think paper, print, ink, etc are free? She's entitled to cover costs surely? In terms of the 'expensive' items on her website, again you're presenting them in a very disingenuous manner, out of context. Perhaps you erroneously assume that she gets all of the money from those goods, rather than distributors, manufacturers and agents taking a massive cut. Guess how much she makes out of those £200 cushions....£5.

So, again, I say you're picking on the softest of soft targets, and suggest you focus your considerable power and energies on something that actually deserves to be criticized.

 

[editor]

OK - well I can see you're very pissed off about this - and that despite her offering to pay you for the photo, remove the work or otherwise make good on what was a genuine mistake, probably driven by trying to meet a deadline, you'd rather defame her on a public forum. She's not making any money out of it - that's the point. Do you think paper, print, ink, etc are free? She's entitled to cover costs surely? In terms of the 'expensive' items on her website, again you're presenting them in a very disingenuous manner, out of context. Perhaps you erroneously assume that she gets all of the money from those goods, rather than distributors, manufacturers and agents taking a massive cut. Guess how much she makes out of those £200 cushions....£5.

How am I defaming her? What have I said that isn't accurate?

But, yes, I am pissed off at seeing my unaccredited and unpaid work appearing on a Brixton wall and being used to advertise a luxury goods company - and that's the word she used to describe her own business, so I'm not making it up.

But I'm really not sure where you're getting this argument that I don't expect her to cover her costs. Of course she can. Like any artist, I hope she always gets what the work is worth.

She has only just replied to my message and I'll respond shortly, and while my work remains plastered on a wall in Brixton, I'm afraid I'll keep talking about it.

 

[Angellic]

I thought the days of wallpaper were long gone...

Do keep up.

 

[Angellic]

The Queen of The Netherlands in Pop Brixton. No relation to Elli Popp, AFAIK.

 

[aka]

colours, hats, children, royalty, it's a YES from me.

 

[editor]

The Queen of The Netherlands in Pop Brixton. No relation to Elli Popp, AFAIK.

Ugh.

 

[Tricky Skills]

"Pocketing" makes it sounds like she's stealing.

Yep. She is.

 

[blameless77]

Yep. She is.

No, she’s not. Hopefully editor will get a chance to explain why. In fact, if we want to focus our energies on someone who actually is stealing fro the community, can we discuss GLl / ‘Better’ who are bust privatising our leisure activities, whils trousering a hefty subsidy from local government to NOT provide any half term or in-term fatigues for local youth beyond offering (paid) membership to their teen gym?thats the teal scandal. Why were they gifted the Carnegie library contract? Why have they got a stranglehold on all leisure service Cesare across multiple boroughs whilst failing, in multiple instances , to pay a living wage AND asking staff to pay to use facilities?thats the real question!

 

[Tricky Skills]

Nope. The real question on this thread is how a copyrighted photo ended up being for sale having been lifted by another artist.

 

[blameless77]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. From the school of thought that assumes people are just a bit crap rather than actively wicked. She tried to do something kind, which backfired spectacularly due to not crossing the i’s and crossing the t’s. it bugs me that me that we hold individuals, trying to help their communities up to the standards of large corporations with marketing departments- and find them lacking. Of course they’re lacking - they’re not Starbucks. And meanwhile tricky skills, whom I respect as a great journalist....

 

[blameless77]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. From the school of thought that assumes people are just a bit crap rather than actively wicked. She tried to do something kind, which backfired spectacularly due to not crossing the i’s and crossing the t’s. it bugs me that me that we hold individuals, trying to help their communities up to the standards of large corporations with marketing departments- and find them lacking. Of course they’re lacking - they’re not Starbucks. And meanwhile tricky skills, whom I respect as a great journalist....

You didn’t t want to engage with what’s really wrong

 

[editor]

On a completely different note, it's interesting to see the intricate brickwork underneath the sadly empty arches on Atlantic Rd.

 

[Gramsci]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. From the school of thought that assumes people are just a bit crap rather than actively wicked. She tried to do something kind, which backfired spectacularly due to not crossing the i’s and crossing the t’s. it bugs me that me that we hold individuals, trying to help their communities up to the standards of large corporations with marketing departments- and find them lacking. Of course they’re lacking - they’re not Starbucks. And meanwhile tricky skills, whom I respect as a great journalist....

I regularly post up here on issues that aren't about individuals. Issues like the Brixton hotel planning application and Grove Adventure playground.

These get little interest.

Taking a pop at the Editor for something he says plenty of posts to criticise Ed.

I find it annoying to have to go through load of tedious posts directed at Ed to get to stuff relevant to Brixton.

 

[Gramsci]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. From the school of thought that assumes people are just a bit crap rather than actively wicked. She tried to do something kind, which backfired spectacularly due to not crossing the i’s and crossing the t’s. it bugs me that me that we hold individuals, trying to help their communities up to the standards of large corporations with marketing departments- and find them lacking. Of course they’re lacking - they’re not Starbucks. And meanwhile tricky skills, whom I respect as a great journalist....

Whose the "we"?

 

[Gramsci]

The Queen of The Netherlands in Pop Brixton. No relation to Elli Popp, AFAIK.

I saw her near Buckingham palace. The police motorcycle escorts stopped the traffic so her cars could go past unhindered. She must have been on her way to Brixton. Me and my cyclist friend endured this.

Aristocracy can go around London without dealing with traffic.

In the photo you can see who the aristocracy is. They are wearing hats. Though hers looks like a "fascinator".

There is one aristocratic parisite beside her and one in background.

I really resent these wealthy scumbag aristocracy coming here.

 

[Gramsci]

The Queen of The Netherlands in Pop Brixton. No relation to Elli Popp, AFAIK.

The Queen is Argentinian. She is from wealthy landed family. What an Argentinian friend of mine would call the oligarchs.

Her marriage into Netherlands royal family caused controversy due to her families involvement in a right wing military junta during the Argentinian "dirty war" when leftists and Peronists were murdered.

The news of the couple's relationship and eventual marriage plans caused controversy in the Netherlands, due to the involvement of Máxima's father Jorge Zorreguieta as a cabinet minister during the National Reorganization Process, the most recent Argentinian dictatorship. Her father's tenure as a minister took place during the beginning stages of the Dirty War, a period of repression that saw 10,000–30,000 people killed or disappeared during the seven-year military regime. At the request of the States General, Michiel Baud, a Dutch professor in Latin American studies, carried out an inquiry into the involvement of Zorreguieta in the Dirty War (roughly, 1974–83). Zorreguieta claimed that, as a civilian, he was unaware of the Dirty War while he was a cabinet minister.

Queen Máxima of the Netherlands - Wikipedia

So her family were supporters of right wing military government as wealthy old landed gentry ( gentry equal oligarchs in South America) to protect there social position.

Hardly surprise when she came to Europe she fell in with European aristocracy.

 

[Angellic]

I saw her near Buckingham palace. The police motorcycle escorts stopped the traffic so her cars could go past unhindered. She must have been on her way to Brixton. Me and my cyclist friend endured this.

Aristocracy can go around London without dealing with traffic.

In the photo you can see who the aristocracy is. They are wearing hats. Though hers looks like a "fascinator".

There is one aristocratic parisite beside her and one in background.

I really resent these wealthy scumbag aristocracy coming here.

Hat or fascinator. I can't decide.

 

[MissL]

The Queen of The Netherlands in Pop Brixton. No relation to Elli Popp, AFAIK.

I passed there yesterday morning and heard someone ask one of the policemen why the road was blocked and who was coming. The policeman replied Tyson. Mike Tyson. WTF?

 

[editor]

More DJs in the village! I was asked to get involved but declined.

Alistair Maddox, Hondo Enterprises’ director of Brixton Village, added: “We’re excited to have Chris and Cyndi on board to help shape our music programming. Both have an encyclopaedic music knowledge, having been at the forefront of independent music promotion in London for nearly two decades.

"There has always been ad hoc music from tenants over the years – but this is the first time in Brixton Village’s 81-year history that a music programme has been created for the market as a whole; we immediately recognised the benefits this could bring to visitors and the local community. We’re looking forward to building on Brixton’s deep-rooted music heritage as we officially kick-off the series this week.”

A new series of DJ sets and live music is coming to Brixton Village

 

[Tricky Skills]

Hope Jerry's flashy new flats next door are sound-proofed.

 

[editor]

Hope Jerry's flashy new flats next door are sound-proofed.

Unlikely given the complaints that have been generated by well-heeled blow-ins in his pricey flats on Coldharbour Lane.

Truth is, it's not the nu-residents who are wholly responsible for killing off the clubs and bars with noise complaints. It's the greedy developers who don't give a fuck whose livelihoods they threaten when they're busy building flats right next to established venues.

 

[discobastard]

It says that she's donating 50% of the PROFITS.

I don't think you understand small business do you? You do know that profits are the bits left over, that you live on right?

 

[editor]

I don't think you understand small business do you? You do know that profits are the bits left over, that you live on right?

Really? I never knew that before.

And in the context of this particular discussion and these charity prints with my uncredited work on them? Actually, no don't bother

 

[discobastard]

From the school of thought that assumes people are just a bit crap rather than actively wicked. She tried to do something kind, which backfired spectacularly due to not crossing the i’s and crossing the t’s. it bugs me that me that we hold individuals, trying to help their communities up to the standards of large corporations with marketing departments- and find them lacking.

Thanks for adding more context to the discussion and the point you make above is one that many don't seem to understand. Intent will be decided upon for you and you will be judged accordingly.
Also interesting that no mention of the offered reparation was made here.

 

[discobastard]

Really? I never knew that before.

And in the context of this particular discussion and these charity prints with my uncredited work on them? Actually, no don't bother

What of the apology and offered reparation? Are you rejecting all that in a fit of picque?

 

[editor]

Thanks for adding more context to the discussion and the point you make above is one that many don't seem to understand. Intent will be decided upon for you and you will be judged accordingly.
Also interesting that no mention of the offered reparation was made here.

That's because I hadn't received the response at that time. Sorry if that spoils your plans to keep this argument going.

I've now spoken to the artist and said she can keep using the image so long as she gives any monies due to me to a local charity.

 

[organicpanda]

More DJs in the village! I was asked to get involved but declined.



A new series of DJ sets and live music is coming to Brixton Village

not a curated set! hell/handcart

 

[cuppa tee]

More DJs in the village! I was asked to get involved but declined

Fair enough if you'd rather not say, but why did you decline ?