Brixton news, rumours and general chat: Summer - Autumn 2018

[editor]

Someone has gone to a lot of effort

 

[Gramsci]

Jesus. Yes of course it can be 'quantifiably' calculated and measured on an individual basis. Because it affects each person differently.
But you'd know that if you lived here and talked to people who are on the sharp end of gentrification, rent rises, evictions, the growing poverty divide and the rise of exclusive, unaffordable bars and restaurants for all those essential "occasional treats."

Retro is not worth bothering with. Your wasting your time. Its deliberate wind up.

 

[Gramsci]

I think that is very much so. It also would not surprise me if most Labour voters thought they were voting for Corbyn rather than the policies of the ruling clique at Lambeth council.

Well I wonder about that. One might think the anti semitism issue might have reduced vote. Didn't happen in Coldharbour ward.

Not did the LDs or Greens bring up Labour party anti semitism issue up in their election literature.

 

[BusLanes]

I would be loath to bring up anti semitism as a party in literature, if just because it might normalise it. Besides, I bet it comes up at the door regularly enough when people tell off Labour canvassers. Would be interesting to know from anyone who did it for them if it did come up much

 

[Gramsci]

I would be loath to bring up anti semitism as a party in literature, if just because it might normalise it. Besides, I bet it comes up at the door regularly enough when people tell off Labour canvassers. Would be interesting to know from anyone who did it for them if it did come up much

Clearly didn't happen In Coldharbour ward then. A solidly working class ward. If results are anything to go by. If people felt Labour party was racist vote would have suffered. I don't hear people in area saying the Labour party is racist. And a lot of working class Labour voters are from ethnic minorities in this ward.

I canvessed for Rachel at recent election for Council and it never came up.

 

[CH1]

Well I wonder about that. One might think the anti semitism issue might have reduced vote. Didn't happen in Coldharbour ward.

Not did the LDs or Greens bring up Labour party anti semitism issue up in their election literature.

I guess even if the Greens were playing dirty (as far as I know they weren't) they might steer clear of the anti-Semitism issue because they have their own debate on this for some of the same reasons:
Caroline Lucas resigns from the Stop the War Coalition
this Wikipedia article might explain why if you go to the last section (notable members). Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway are on the list - both have been vigorously attacked as anti-Semites.
I confess I'm a bit naive on this issue, but I managed to acquire this book

by the former councillor for Brixton Hill Ward (or Town Hall ward as it then was 1986-1990) and now MP for Bassettlaw (and scourge of Ken Livingstone).
Maybe when I've tucked into this I can provide a full assessment.

 

[editor]

Five requests for James fucking Blunt tonight from the gillet wearing gang. What has happened to Brixton?

 

[discobastard]

My experience of this site is that Ed and the Mods do a good job. Btw I feel no one really gives Mods credit for work they do.

Never mind

 

[editor]

Never mind

Do you have a point, or are you just busy acting like a dick?

 

[Mr Retro]

I think he means that cost of living in Brixton (whether rent, food, drink, socialising...) has increased through gentrification at a greater rate and by a greater amount that would be the case through the course of normal inflation, which is easy for someone to quantify.

Yes. Would love to see this quantification on an area like Brixton or Hackney as a whole. Individual cases will be worse off but I wonder as a whole are neighbourhoods quantifiably worse off.

After recently reading Factfulness I’ve been trying to find info on this. Looking places like in places like ONS etc I can’t find anything.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Depends what your criteria for worse off would be?

How do you quantify Brixton or Hackney?

You'd have to break it down into wards, Businesses, residents, local charities (are they needing more or less)

Is it just financial? Can you measure the happiness, hopes, comfort, dreams of people.

Can you measure the impact of losing long term residents and businesses on today's Brixton and it's remaining/current residents?

Quite a task to measure. I wonder if it's been done anywhere before?

 

[cuppa tee]

Yes. Would love to see this quantification on an area like Brixton or Hackney as a whole. Individual cases will be worse off but I wonder as a whole are neighbourhoods quantifiably worse off.

After recently reading Factfulness I’ve been trying to find info on this. Looking places like in places like ONS etc I can’t find anything.

Think you're barking up the wrong tree here my friend, of course neighbourhoods will be quantifiably better off under gentrification because the quantifiably worse off are the ones who are being replaced by yuppies. Also much of the negative impact is not quantifiable but emotional, like for example replacing wc pubs with yuppie bars or flats will lead to isolation and less community thereby making more people leave [you said as much in your comment about the Canterbury elsewhere]. I am actually a little concerned that your insistence on statistics and factfulness [lol] betrays a [deliberate] misunderstanding and that kind of undermines your qualification to comment on the process cos you might well be someone benefitting from it....

 

[Mr Retro]

Depends what your criteria for worse off would be?

How do you quantify Brixton or Hackney?

You'd have to break it down into wards, Businesses, residents, local charities (are they needing more or less)

Is it just financial? Can you measure the happiness, hopes, comfort, dreams of people.

Can you measure the impact of losing long term residents and businesses on today's Brixton and it's remaining/current residents?

Quite a task to measure. I wonder if it's been done anywhere before?

Yes very difficult to measure. I couldn’t find anywhere it has been done, which is why I was interested when editor brought it up.

 

[Pickman's model]

I guess even if the Greens were playing dirty (as far as I know they weren't) they might steer clear of the anti-Semitism issue because they have their own debate on this for some of the same reasons:
Caroline Lucas resigns from the Stop the War Coalition
this Wikipedia article might explain why if you go to the last section (notable members). Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway are on the list - both have been vigorously attacked as anti-Semites.
I confess I'm a bit naive on this issue, but I managed to acquire this book
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by the former councillor for Brixton Hill Ward (or Town Hall ward as it then was 1986-1990) and now MP for Bassettlaw (and scourge of Ken Livingstone).
Maybe when I've tucked into this I can provide a full assessment.

misogyny an aulder hatred. But wouldn't expect a mann to recognise that

 

[alcopop]

But not all change is for the better.

Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change

 

[editor]

Think you're barking up the wrong tree here my friend, of course neighbourhoods will be quantifiably better off under gentrification because the quantifiably worse off are the ones who are being replaced by yuppies. Also much of the negative impact is not quantifiable but emotional, like for example replacing wc pubs with yuppie bars or flats will lead to isolation and less community thereby making more people leave [you said as much in your comment about the Canterbury elsewhere]. I am actually a little concerned that your insistence on statistics and factfulness [lol] betrays a [deliberate] misunderstanding and that kind of undermines your qualification to comment on the process cos you might well be someone benefitting from it....

Yep. You've nailed it right there.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Yes very difficult to measure. I couldn’t find anywhere it has been done, which is why I was interested when editor brought it up.

You brought up quantifying the effects of gentrification.

 

[Mr Retro]

You brought up quantifying the effects of gentrication.

I think you’ll find it was the editor. But I’m not interested in arguing here. It does seem the usual suspects are though.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I think you’ll find it was the editor. But I’m not interested in arguing here. It does seem the usual suspects are though.

Just looked back. You are right, he did use the word first.

 

[editor]

Just looked back. You are right, he did use the word first.

Yes, but Mr Retro wanted to run with what is an absolutely obvious statement and deliver some Huge Fact-Laden Point or another which failed to get off the ground (see post #1062).

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Yes, but Mr Retro wanted to run with what is an absolutely obvious statement and deliver some Huge Fact-Laden Point or another which failed to get off the ground (see post #1062).

Maybe, but I do have to hold my hands up when I have got it wrong.

 

[editor]

Just walked through party town Brixton. Stag and hen parties in full effect marching up Electric Avenue, mass street pissing everywhere with a bonus double puke on Coldharbour Lane. I wonder what treats await in Windrush Square and Effra Road?!

 

[Mardybum]

Anyone know what the massive party with sound system going on in the Sudbourne road area last night was about? I've got used to resorting to earplugs at the weekend as drunk posh people will inevitably be braying outside at 3 in the morning on their way home, but last night had to resort to sleeping on my hallway floor to get some peace. Just curious what was going on .. Sounded like a big bash..

 

[editor]

This was fun:

In photos: Just Vibez DJs bring the party to Brixton’s Black Cultural Archives, Sat 15th Sept 2018

 

[Gramsci]

Yes, but Mr Retro wanted to run with what is an absolutely obvious statement and deliver some Huge Fact-Laden Point or another which failed to get off the ground (see post #1062).

It was imo obvious bait to get posters going. There were no facts. Then make posters appear unreasonable. Retro is master at this.

 

[Mr Retro]

The type of discussion I was trying to have, I realise is not possible here. I may return to it later if I have the energy.

 

[editor]

The type of discussion I was trying to have, I realise is not possible here. I may return to it later if I have the energy.

Shame you can't be honest about your motives here, especially seeing as I wasn't the only poster to rumble you. Oh well.

Back to actual Brixton news, these went up as part of the Design Trail. I like them. I was asked to contribute but I felt uncomfortable about sticking art prints over street art.

Brixton Design Trail 2018 – Protest posters on Atlantic Road, Brixton

 

[editor]

Pics from Sat night at the Hoot

In photos: Saturday night at Brixton’s Hootananny – beer, bands, food and DJs

 

[editor]

This is shocking: 28% of families in London are living in poverty compared to 16.6% in the South-east

Given that some areas in Brixton are amongst the most deprived in London, that suggests that there's plenty of families enduring real hardship.

And:

Lambeth is an inner London borough with a mixed picture on poverty and inequality. The poverty rate of almost 30% is above the London average of 27%. Lambeth has a high rate of infant mortality and premature mortality as well. 59% of Lambeth homeless households who the borough places in temporary accommodation are moved outside the borough, which is the second highest rate in London. On the positive side, Lambeth is in the lower half of boroughs for evictions and above average for delivery of affordable homes. 19.5% of workers here earn less than the living wage, which is lower than the London average of 21%.

Lambeth

 

[editor]

For the second time in three days I've walked past an accident on Brixton Road. This one looks serious with a lot of police and medics in attendance.

Brixton Road has to be one of the most dangerous in the borough.