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That car park encounter was quite unpleasant really, in the same way and for the same reasons that being flashed at is - that someone else is getting their jollies at your expense and without your consent. I can only assume that whoever thought it up was a bloke, and hadn't read the sexual harassment thread if they thought this was a good idea. He said to me at the end "I'm not some creep, it's for a tv show". Er no, actually, you are a fucking creep (is what I should have said).

I had a rant to the woman on the desk at the lido and she said they had a permit from the council to film :facepalm: Apparently there was someone in a really shit dog costume hiding round the corner, presumably for if someone said yes to the dogging invitation :rolleyes:

I wonder what kind of people they were targetting...
 
RubyToogood said:
Warning: there are some tossers filming a hidden camera prank show in the lido car park. Avoid the area. I was approached and asked if I was here for the dogging :rolleyes:

I think I would have found genuine doggers less offensive.
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I've just quoted this because I had no idea what you were on about.

Yep, it sounds pathetic.
 
editor said:
So, that story I told ianw:

I was in a well known Brixton niterie on Thursday night when a group of what could be described as 'young professionals' turned up around midnight. Maybe eight people around the 20-26 mark, all well dressed and quick to splash the cash at the bar for a big round.

One of them - a rather posh, confident type - asked to see the manager to explain they had another person coming but they had no ID with them. The manager explains that due to the conditions of their licensing, this person can not come in unless they have ID.

Posh bloke refuses to accept this explanation and starts going on and on and on at the manager. Manager politely and firmly explains the situation: if he lets their friend in without ID, the club could lose their license, and in turn, a lot of the staff may lose their jobs.

Posh bloke offers a large wad of cash to 'sort it out.' Manager explains for about the sixth time, it's not about money, it's not about the age of the person, it's about their licensing.

At the same time I got talking to one of their party and ended up explaining the same thing multiple times to her. She equally failed to accept that they could not get their own way here. They had money after all!

Trying to be helpful, I suggested that they could all go to the nearby Atlantis Bar or the Queen's Head up the road where it's open late and there's no ID scheme. To which the girl responded, "isn't that in Chelsea?" (no, really!).

Eventually, the penny drops that their friend can't come in regardless of how much spending power and 'influence' they profess to have, so they decide to all storm out, leaving a collection of almost untouched drinks at the bar, with one woman emptying the near-full contents of a bottle of red wine on the floor as a protest.

Spoilt children, anyone?
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As a friend of mine put it succinctly many of today's overprotected kids will turn into full blown entitled solipsistic psychopaths. Seems we are half way there, especially like the bit with the dirty (red wine) protest…
 
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I have never seen people in their twenties get arsey or behave irrationally when refused entry to venues whose business is to get young people drunk and create an air of exclusivity. Never in my years. This is certainly a new and worrisome phenomenon and this anecdote almost definitely proves that we have created a whole generation of monsters.

Furthermore we can conclude that this kind of behaviour is almost without exception only seen in the clearly defined "posh" and "young professional" categories of twenty-somethings.
 
teuchter said:
Furthermore we can conclude that this kind of behaviour is almost without exception only seen in the clearly defined "posh" and "young professional" categories of twenty-somethings.
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Who are you speaking for here with this "we can conclude..." statement? :confused:

Sadly, you have singularly failed to comprehend that the reason for their refusal was precisely nothing to do with the venue 'creating an air of exclusivity'. It was because the person didn't have photo ID, a condition forced on the venue by the licensing authorities.
 
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Sadly, you have singularly failed to comprehend that the reason for their refusal was precisely nothing to do with the venue 'creating an air of exclusivity'.
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On the contrary, I understood quite clearly the reason you gave for their refusal. You have singularly failed to read my post carefully, as usual.
 
Kevs said:
Anyone know how much it is to swim at the Brixton Rec? Standard adult swim, no discount cards or concessions. I've never been, just tried to navigate the lambeth cc website, got redirected to signing up for a "better" card, a variety of sub menus and discounts were offered, the ability to book a place online, but no actual f-king prices.
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They charge me £4.10 which is for Saturday/Sunday mornings.
 
teuchter said:
I have never seen people in their twenties get arsey or behave irrationally when refused entry to venues whose business is to get young people drunk and create an air of exclusivity. Never in my years. This is certainly a new and worrisome phenomenon and this anecdote almost definitely proves that we have created a whole generation of monsters.

Furthermore we can conclude that this kind of behaviour is almost without exception only seen in the clearly defined "posh" and "young professional" categories of twenty-somethings.
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It's those confident types that are the worst.
 
leanderman said:
Have long noticed at work that lack of self-doubt trumps ability.
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Me too, but the crux of the story is not just confidence but the confidence that a bribe would be enough to make the proprietor risk his license and put his and his employees livelihoods at risk just so someone's chum could be admitted to the venue. Not only is this arrogant but it is quite insulting to the proprietor.
 
cuppa tee said:
Me too, but the crux of the story is not just confidence but the confidence that a bribe would be enough to make the proprietor risk his license and put his and his employees livelihoods at risk just so someone's chum could be admitted to the venue. Not only is this arrogant but it is quite insulting to the proprietor.
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The bit for me was the assumption that they had some sort of right to circumvent the license requirements and get their friend in, and it was simply a matter of browbeating the manager by offering a bit of cash to sort out the problem.
 
editor said:
The bit for me was the assumption that they had some sort of right to circumvent the license requirements and get their friend in, and it was simply a matter of browbeating the manager by offering a bit of cash to sort out the problem.
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Personally I think the ID thing is a bit intrusive but once the law says its in it's in and licensees have to toe the line. I suppose that's the price we pay so people with bags of cash can flash their wads with gay abandon whilst enjoying the vibrant after dark lifestyle and not have to worry about tea leafs.
 
cuppa tee said:
Personally I think the ID thing is a bit intrusive but once the law says its in it's in and licensees have to toe the line. I suppose that's the price we pay so people with bags of cash can flash their wads with gay abandon whilst enjoying the vibrant after dark lifestyle without having to worry about tea leafs.
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The door staff at the venues I know hate it because they end up getting it in the neck from stroppy customers refusing to accept this condition of entry.
 
editor said:
The door staff at the venues I know hate it because they end up getting it in the neck from stroppy customers refusing to accept this condition of entry.
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Well it's not a job I'd fancy much tbh, but look on the bright side if they hadnt had the ID scanner you'd probably have had to endure another tale of how groovy your new pals find our little corner of London :)
 
Calm down chaps, the lad was just a bit pissed off his mate couldn't get in so tried it on a bit.

Mountain>>>> molehill.

The internet is great, isn't it.
 
Onket said:
Calm down chaps, the lad was just a bit pissed off his mate couldn't get in so tried it on a bit.

Mountain>>>> molehill.
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I don't think there's anything that bad about trying it on. Emptying a bottle of wine on the floor in protest is another thing entirely. That's the bit of the story that shocks me. It's just so spiteful and nasty, almost like a class statement, because they know that some lowly serf will have to clear up their mess after they've gone.
 
ianw said:
I don't think there's anything that bad about trying it on. Emptying a bottle of wine on the floor in protest is another thing entirely. That's the bit of the story that shocks me. It's just so spiteful and nasty, almost like a class statement, because they know that some lowly serf will have to clear up their mess after they've gone.
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Agree.

I wonder if it was the confident one who did that.
 
Frumious B. said:
I wish I'd been there. I'd have said all the things the staff wanted to say.
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Oh, believe me, the staff would have said all those things and more - they're quite free to say what they like to arsehole customers and often do - but she emptied the bottle on the floor with her friends behind her so it wasn't immediately obvious what she'd done.

There definitely has been a fairly big upward shift in the amount of rude customers around Brixton in the last couple of years.
 
Kevs said:
Anyone know how much it is to swim at the Brixton Rec? Standard adult swim, no discount cards or concessions. I've never been, just tried to navigate the lambeth cc website, got redirected to signing up for a "better" card, a variety of sub menus and discounts were offered, the ability to book a place online, but no actual f-king prices.
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There's one discount if you live in borough, then further ones for pensioners, disabled people, carers, or on income related benefits. On top of that there's an peak rate price and off peak (entry at 9am until entry at 5.30pm I think). The very cheapest swim which an adult can get there (off peak and concessionary rate) is free. All very byzantine, but IMHO well worth going down to sort out in person.
 
ianw said:
I don't think there's anything that bad about trying it on. Emptying a bottle of wine on the floor in protest is another thing entirely. That's the bit of the story that shocks me. It's just so spiteful and nasty, almost like a class statement, because they know that some lowly serf will have to clear up their mess after they've gone.
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I'm not saying there was nothing wrong about their behaviour as described by editor but I dunno if it's exactly "shocking". People do stupid stuff when they've been drinking. There's nothing new about that. It's part of the scenery if you run a pub/bar/club, and these places make their money out of people doing stupid stuff, like buying rounds of expensive drinks when they've already had enough and half of it ends up getting knocked over on the table or whatever anyway.

I also think that seeing it as a "class statement" might be reading a bit too much into things. It's making a lot of assumptions to presume that when the wine was being poured on the floor, the principle aim was to make a lowly serf clear it up. It was a protest (however unjustified) against the institution, surely, just like spraypainting onto Foxtons' windows or smashing the glass on a Tesco frontage is. Lowly serfs have to sort that stuff out too.
 
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