Brixton news, rumours and general chat - June 2017

[T & P]

I wish they would let the palm tree on the northern end alone though. I hope they at least replant it.

 

[Gramsci]

I wish they would let the palm tree on the northern end alone though. I hope they at least replant it.

I agree. It's somehow thrived there and is magnificent.

 

[David Clapson]

Briefly back to the subject of knives, my flatmate has the same brand and colour of kitchen knife used in the Borough Market stabbings. She's German, so I've reported her to David Davis.

And back to Saturday night, nobody's mentioned the Terror Alert (not an actual terror alert) in the Dogstar:

Nightclub evacuated after three injured in 'terrifying' bottle attack

 

[haushoch]

I wish they would let the palm tree on the northern end alone though. I hope they at least replant it.

The palm tree is safe according to the document:

The palm tree on the northern side of Lambeth Bridge

The proposal to convert the northern roundabout to a signalised crossroad junction would require the removal of the roundabout and the iconic Phoenix Palm tree in its centre. Subject to the outcome of this consultation, the tree would be removed and we would look to replant it locally. We would work with our tree experts, Westminster City Council and Lambeth Council to identify a suitable place for this.

 

[T & P]

The palm tree is safe according to the document:

The palm tree on the northern side of Lambeth Bridge

The proposal to convert the northern roundabout to a signalised crossroad junction would require the removal of the roundabout and the iconic Phoenix Palm tree in its centre. Subject to the outcome of this consultation, the tree would be removed and we would look to replant it locally. We would work with our tree experts, Westminster City Council and Lambeth Council to identify a suitable place for this.

The government's front bench at the House of Commons is only a few hundred metres away and currently a dead space. Just saying.

 

[Gramsci]

Its a positive statement. I don't see the link between that quote and anything in the rest of the post.

Fallon quote:

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon said the "recognition today is long overdue".

He added: "I hope this memorial will remind us of the ongoing contribution of our African and Caribbean communities to our country and to the defence of our country.

My second post on this also explains why I have a problem with Fallon. Post 168

Those from Britains colonies did sacrifice there lives to defend "our" country. Whilst there countries were occupied by us. There countries didn't have the freedoms we had.

The Queen made it even more clear:

The erection of this memorial giving recognition to the military service contributions of non-whites from Africa and the Caribbean garnered wide acknowledgements even from the Queen of England.

Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, in a letter of support to the Nubian Jak Community Trust said: “It is now over 70 years since the end of that war, but it is just as important to remember the ultimate sacrifice made by those men and women who were prepared to lay down their live for our freedoms.”

It was all about defending "our" freedoms and "our" country.

Not about the fact that we forcibly occupied there land as an Imperial nation.

The memorial near Hyde park corner is particularly irritating. There is this view of a benign Empire. Made a few mistakes (slavery) but ended as a paternalistic Empire. It's bollox imo. And it's a view that's still held.

To say that Fallon's statement is positive is part of the problem.

 

[editor]

Briefly back to the subject of knives, my flatmate has the same brand and colour of kitchen knife used in the Borough Market stabbings. She's German, so I've reported her to David Davis.

And back to Saturday night, nobody's mentioned the Terror Alert (not an actual terror alert) in the Dogstar:

Nightclub evacuated after three injured in 'terrifying' bottle attack

There's already a thread on it. It wasn't nice but it seems that the Standard got a little carried away with their reporting,

 

[SpamMisery]

If you say so

 

[CH1]

Briefly back to the subject of knives, my flatmate has the same brand and colour of kitchen knife used in the Borough Market stabbings. She's German, so I've reported her to David Davis.

The Standard yesterday said that knife detecting equipment was being offered to schools.
Is this something you would rather not be discussed?

 

[David Clapson]

Don't be silly.

 

[billythefish]

Anything to help out the bike is good, maybe just save the £12 million and just ban the cars like they have at bank. Wish they would take a look at Brixton Road most of it is crap for cyclist, right outside the tube is especially bad

Yes - and heading south onto Brixton Hill is a nightmare too.

 

[Gramsci]

If you say so

What's wrong with what I posted?

 

[CH1]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but a friend of mine just forwarded the link from Cairo (pleasantly surprised he said - not having been here since 1997)

 

[CH1]

Gramsci GarveyLives BBCFour repeated the 2014 documentary about West Indian servicemen - including the unveiling of the War Memorial (before it had been permanently sited).
I did see it before, but a second viewing was well worth while.
Fighting for King and Empire: Britain's Caribbean Heroes - BBC Four

 

[editor]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but a friend of mine just forwarded the link from Cairo (pleasantly surprised he said - not having been here since 1997)

Meh.

 

[wurlycurly]

Meh.

Overconfidence mixed with patronisation. Never a good combo. Look at me, look at me, look at me!

 

[CH1]

Overconfidence mixed with patronisation. Never a good combo. Look at me, look at me, look at me!

Isn't that what being American is all about?

The person who sent me the link is an Egyptian who came here on holiday just after Tony Blair's election (quite by chance) and I guess was quite interested at the "third world" nature of Coldharbour Lane at the time. He worked as an interpreter, and was more used to middle class life in Denmark and Germany.
Back to the video - if you were used to life in Chicago South Side you would see what he was getting at.

 

[snowy_again]

Congrats to BRUG for getting their Brixton Pound award (I'm assuming that's you Gramsci)

 

[editor]

Isn't that what being American is all about?

The person who sent me the link is an Egyptian who came here on holiday just after Tony Blair's election (quite by chance) and I guess was quite interested at the "third world" nature of Coldharbour Lane at the time. He worked as an interpreter, and was more used to middle class life in Denmark and Germany.
Back to the video - if you were used to life in Chicago South Side you would see what he was getting at.

Nah. He's charging around the place like it's his playground. He makes a token nod to the devastating effects of gentrification and then dives head in to enthusiastically sample all the gentrifying parts of Brixton.

 

[editor]

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[Gramsci]

Congrats to BRUG for getting their Brixton Pound award (I'm assuming that's you Gramsci)

I was there. There were some interesting projects who got awards.

 

[snowy_again]

Any in particular? Brixton Fund

 

[editor]

I was there. There were some interesting projects who got awards.

More info here: Brixton Fund hands out awards to six worthy local projects

 

[CH1]

Wayland House was knocked flat before they built Park Heights.

Unusually, I think you are misinformed on this one.
According to Skyscraper News website Wayland House was "extended" to become Park Heights - not demolished and rebuilt.

• *Originally 46 metres in height with 15 floors and 54 apartments, Wayland House has been expanded and renovated by PRP Architects to reach 20-storeys.

 

[ricbake]

Unusually, I think you are misinformed on this one.
According to Skyscraper News website Wayland House was "extended" to become Park Heights - not demolished and rebuilt.
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• *Originally 46 metres in height with 15 floors and 54 apartments, Wayland House has been expanded and renovated by PRP Architects to reach 20-storeys.

Skyscraper news has it wrong
Wayland House

They had a couple of diggers on the top of it chewing it up and spitting it out from the top to the bottom!

Photos from the weather station below...

 

[Gramsci]

Any in particular? Brixton Fund

Chaigram I liked. Good idea. Helping refugees get into work. He is planning that they will have stall in market.

Lambeth More in Common was an intriguing one. They are going to "twin" with Boston ( in England). Boston was town with a lot of EU immigration that voted Brexit. I've heard of it as it's been in the news. Unlike Brixton they can't get there year around multicultural Britain. Idea is to visit each other and discuss the issue. Good luck with that. I'm not so understanding. Coming from a small town myself I know how these people think. My brother still lives in Plymouth where I come from. Brexit vote in Plymouth came down to immigration. From EU. I've not got a lot of tolerance for small town mentality. Neither has my brother. I had a chat with Lambeth More in Common .Really don't feel it's worth the bother. Ive plenty to say to Boston residents. But probably not good idea from me. Good luck to them to this project for trying.

 

[CH1]

ricbake Brilliant. So you're saying the demolition technique was a bit like the chimneys at Battersea Power Station?

I'm curious as to why all these people have been using flamable tiles - including in this development apparently. Is this dealt with by such paragraphs as this:
Climate change: The applicant has broadly followed the energy hierarchy to reduce CO2 emissions. Sufficient information has been provided to understand the proposals as a whole. The proposals are broadly acceptable; however, further information is required in relation to cooling and district heating before the CO2 savings can be verified. Sustainability measures are proposed and should be secured by way of condition. ?

I can see nothing in there about cladding specifications. Maybe this was never ever needed at planning application stage?

 

[Gramsci]

ricbake Brilliant. So you're saying the demolition technique was a bit like the chimneys at Battersea Power Station?

I'm curious as to why all these people have been using flamable tiles - including in this development apparently. Is this dealt with by such paragraphs as this:
Climate change: The applicant has broadly followed the energy hierarchy to reduce CO2 emissions. Sufficient information has been provided to understand the proposals as a whole. The proposals are broadly acceptable; however, further information is required in relation to cooling and district heating before the CO2 savings can be verified. Sustainability measures are proposed and should be secured by way of condition. ?

I can see nothing in there about cladding specifications. Maybe this was never ever needed at planning application stage?

There is long thread on UK politics board about the fire. Cuts in fire service meant that large developments "self certified" themselves to show they built to safe standard. Panels used hadn't been tested enough. It's difficult for architects to specify materials. As builders can use different materials if they count as equivalent. A whole load of issues that contributed to Grenfell.

It appears some experts in the field had been raising concerns.

 

[ricbake]

The 2005 change in regulations regarding Fire Safety shifted the emphasis from the Fire Brigade statutory inspections to a "Competent Person" appointed by the building owner to conduct a Fire Risk Assessment. In 2010 the Fire Brigade produce a report saying 20% of such assessments were inadequate.

Park Heights
The cladding will have been specified by the architect, the finished to be approved as part of the Planning application. The Building Control will have been "overseen" by the Council but essentially on a project this size they would have accepted what the Contractors appointed specialist told them. The specification would be mostly about the way it looked; governed by the quality of the insulation value; with a system that comprised of materials that had been fire tested to fit within the building control specifications.

The building does have a central fire detection system alarms and sprinklers - the Fire rating specification of the cladding does not seem to be part of the publicly available records.

https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/documents/s51842/08 Wayland House.pdf

Client: Network Housing Group
Planner: Jones Lang LaSalle
Architect: PRP Architects
Quantity Surveyor: Mace Limited
Contractor: Wates Construction
M&E Engineer: Calford Seaden
Building Control: BBS Building Control Limited
Code and SAP Assessments: BBS Environmental

 

[editor]

The 2005 change in regulations regarding Fire Safety shifted the emphasis from the Fire Brigade statutory inspections to a "Competent Person" appointed by the building owner to conduct a Fire Risk Assessment. In 2010 the Fire Brigade produce a report saying 20% of such assessments were inadequate.

Park Heights
The cladding will have been specified by the architect, the finished to be approved as part of the Planning application. The Building Control will have been "overseen" by the Council but essentially on a project this size they would have accepted what the Contractors appointed specialist told them. The specification would be mostly about the way it looked; governed by the quality of the insulation value; with a system that comprised of materials that had been fire tested to fit within the building control specifications.

The building does have a central fire detection system alarms and sprinklers - the Fire rating specification of the cladding does not seem to be part of the publicly available records.

https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/documents/s51842/08 Wayland House.pdf

Client: Network Housing Group
Planner: Jones Lang LaSalle
Architect: PRP Architects
Quantity Surveyor: Mace Limited
Contractor: Wates Construction
M&E Engineer: Calford Seaden
Building Control: BBS Building Control Limited
Code and SAP Assessments: BBS Environmental

Do you fancy writing a bit more about this for Buzz?