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If they are measuring speed, they could have saved some money by simply asking any local resident or road user, who could have told them virtually 100% of motor vehicles are ignoring the 20 mph limit.

It might be however that the average speed might have fallen by a couple of mph, which I suspect was the real objective of imposing a borough-wide 20 mph limit all along. Because sure as hell they'll never going to get traffic to stick to such limit. Not in our lifetime.
 
Re traffic monitoring cables - there are a pair of these on Coldharbour Lane half-way between Shakespeare Road and Moorland Road.

Pity they couldn't weight the vehicles at the same time. If you ask me the reason for all these Gas leak/water leak road works - it's that local roads like Coldharbour Lane are overburdened by massive lorries and skip vehicles - apart from the buses.

Its all very well saying the trains and tubes are full - the very roads themselves are over-full with HGVs.

When I first moved to Brixton in 1978 I think there were bans on heavy lorries. They were only allowed at certain times - an there was also a weight restriction on lorries (32 tons?).

What happened to that? Is that an EU harmonisation victim, or just business pressure - no doubt contributing to the demise of the GLC?
 
CH1 said:
Re traffic monitoring cables - there are a pair of these on Coldharbour Lane half-way between Shakespeare Road and Moorland Road.

Pity they couldn't weight the vehicles at the same time. If you ask me the reason for all these Gas leak/water leak road works - it's that local roads like Coldharbour Lane are overburdened by massive lorries and skip vehicles - apart from the buses.

Its all very well saying the trains and tubes are full - the very roads themselves are over-full with HGVs.

When I first moved to Brixton in 1978 I think there were bans on heavy lorries. They were only allowed at certain times - an there was also a weight restriction on lorries (32 tons?).

What happened to that? Is that an EU harmonisation victim, or just business pressure - no doubt contributing to the demise of the GLC?
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London Lorry Control

About the London Lorry Control Scheme | London Councils

Seems it was created in 1985 and amended in 2010 although it's not clear what those amendments were.
 
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CH1 said:
Re traffic monitoring cables - there are a pair of these on Coldharbour Lane half-way between Shakespeare Road and Moorland Road.

Pity they couldn't weight the vehicles at the same time. If you ask me the reason for all these Gas leak/water leak road works - it's that local roads like Coldharbour Lane are overburdened by massive lorries and skip vehicles - apart from the buses.

Its all very well saying the trains and tubes are full - the very roads themselves are over-full with HGVs.

When I first moved to Brixton in 1978 I think there were bans on heavy lorries. They were only allowed at certain times - an there was also a weight restriction on lorries (32 tons?).

What happened to that? Is that an EU harmonisation victim, or just business pressure - no doubt contributing to the demise of the GLC?
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Thought the lorry control in inner london was a GLC, I recall there being road signs and (permit?) stickers on somoe vehicles when I came to london in 1982. Think the lorry controls dissappeared when the GLC did. or pehaps they just changed / were ammended.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Thought the lorry control in inner london was a GLC, I recall there being road signs and (permit?) stickers on somoe vehicles when I came to london in 1982. Think the lorry controls dissappeared when the GLC did. or pehaps they just changed / were ammended.
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I think you are right about that. But in any case it seems to me that the permitted size of lorries in London has increased a lot. For example there are massive vehicles coming into Brixton Station Road - delivering flowers from Holland it seems.

Tulips from Amsterdam anybody?
 
CH1 said:
I think you are right about that. But in any case it seems to me that the permitted size of lorries in London has increased a lot. For example there are massive vehicles coming into Brixton Station Road - delivering flowers from Holland it seems.

Tulips from Amsterdam anybody?
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There are frquently huge lorrys parked at the bus stop on the high street, blocking traffic out side Holland and Barrett at 7am in the mornings. I think size and number of lorries all over london has increased. I wonder if any of this down to more home deliveries?
 
friendofdorothy said:
There are frquently huge lorrys parked at the bus stop on the high street, blocking traffic out side Holland and Barrett at 7am in the mornings. I think size and number of lorries all over london has increased. I wonder if any of this down to more home deliveries?
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I'd have thought home deliveries would reduce the number of very large vehicles if anything... stuff that might previously have been delivered in bulk to centrally located shops now being taken in bulk to sorting depots on the edges of london then in smaller vehicles doing a run of deliveries to individual households.
 
From my impression of cycling there are a lot of lorries etc around central London due to the amount of building work going on. On home deleveries there is an increase due to people buying on internet. I've seen even small items delivered by van.Items that people would have previously taken home themselves.

Items that could be delivered by cargo bikes. Did hear one Council officer taking about setting up a local depot that could be shared by different companies.Goods dropped off there then taken to people's homes etc by cargo bike- quiet green transport. Reducing good vehicles on roads.
 
I'm all for replacing motor vehicle journeys with cycling but I'm not sure cargo bikes make much sense. The amount of stuff you can put in a van would probably need about 10 bikes and you'd need 10 times as many people to operate them.

A system of local depots where stuff is taken manually to people's front doors? I believe there's something called "Royal Mail".
 
teuchter said:
I'd have thought home deliveries would reduce the number of very large vehicles if anything... stuff that might previously have been delivered in bulk to centrally located shops now being taken in bulk to sorting depots on the edges of london then in smaller vehicles doing a run of deliveries to individual households.
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Years ago when you bought something like a fridge/sofa/ big thing you went to a shop where a big lorry had delivered dozens of then and then small van would deliver it to your home. Now big lorry delivers dozens of fridges from depot to homes all over the place. Not sure that would reduce total deliveries or traffic.

People also buy more big things more often, they replace good furniture when they want new decor. Also big items used to last longer, then be repaired, now they break after the 2 yr guarentee runs out and have to be binned. My mothers first washing machine lasted 25 years. the next 15. My last washing machine only lasted about 3 yrs. People used to go shopping and buy dozens of thing in several shops, now they have those dozens of things delivered direct to their door in dozens of deliveries, then decide they don't like the look of them and send them back. Sure all this must mean more deliverys and more traffic?
 
Traffic cables also observed on Shakespeare rd (Northern stretch) Upper Tulse Hill, Elm Park, Hillside Rd (Streatham Hill).
 
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Fuck, I miss this place.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Years ago when you bought something like a fridge/sofa/ big thing you went to a shop where a big lorry had delivered dozens of then and then small van would deliver it to your home. Now big lorry delivers dozens of fridges from depot to homes all over the place. Not sure that would reduce total deliveries or traffic.

People also buy more big things more often, they replace good furniture when they want new decor. Also big items used to last longer, then be repaired, now they break after the 2 yr guarentee runs out and have to be binned. My mothers first washing machine lasted 25 years. the next 15. My last washing machine only lasted about 3 yrs. People used to go shopping and buy dozens of thing in several shops, now they have those dozens of things delivered direct to their door in dozens of deliveries, then decide they don't like the look of them and send them back. Sure all this must mean more deliverys and more traffic?
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Reminds me of zizek film on ideology The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) - IMDb

He points out Capitalism produces waste. It needs to in order to function.

Was reading a few days ago about car sales here. They are more than some other countries. Why? Because people are encouraged to trade in car after three years to get a new one.The system is set up to make this the norm.
 
I have no idea who buys brand new cars, I guess maybe only people like my dad who's old and worries that a second hand one won't be reliable. He's had more trouble with his new one than I've ever had with all of my second/third/fourth hand ones.
Complete waste of money.
 
a section of brixton road is under water as the little trickle of water which has been flowing for the last two or three days has erupted through the tarmac at the junction with ferndale road
 
sparkybird said:
I have no idea who buys brand new cars, I guess maybe only people like my dad who's old and worries that a second hand one won't be reliable. He's had more trouble with his new one than I've ever had with all of my second/third/fourth hand ones.
Complete waste of money.
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The growth isn't in buying outright it is in personal leasing.

You effectively pay a small capital outlay followed by a monthly payment for 3 years. At the end of the 3 years you have the option to make what they call a balloon payment to buy the car out right or give it back

Many people give them back and then get another new one.

Also specifically in current figures I heard a motor dealer explain that manufacturers had effectively forced a load of stock on dealers which they had to pre register, numbers are reported on registrations not on sales. Lots of stock sat on forecourts and at ports apparently

Apols for derail
 
Dan U said:
The growth isn't in buying outright it is in personal leasing.

You effectively pay a small capital outlay followed by a monthly payment for 3 years. At the end of the 3 years you have the option to make what they call a balloon payment to buy the car out right or give it back

Many people give them back and then get another new one.

Also specifically in current figures I heard a motor dealer explain that manufacturers had effectively forced a load of stock on dealers which they had to pre register, numbers are reported on registrations not on sales. Lots of stock sat on forecourts and at ports apparently

Apols for derail
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thanks confirming for this..... people laughed when I brought it up on the LJ closures thread.
 
Lambeth just delivered a recycling wheely bin! Yay! No more recycling bags laying around by the front door.

I didn't know Lambeth was introducing them. About bloody time as well.

I'm probably far more excited about this than I ought to be :rolleyes: :D
 
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