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Was that the first ever one?
Brixton news, rumours and general chat: Autumn - Winter 2018-19
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I'll have to double check but it was in Feb 2004.
Brixton Hatter
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Amazing. I still remember it. 15 years ago!
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nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Don't the events in the Telegraph count as offline? Must have been 2001 or earlier for them?
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They were more urban gatherings/parties rather than a regular DJ night but they were bloody great!
cuppa tee
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Do you know this cat........
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"Please spread the word so we can find this pet's family! FOUND on 02/03/19 in Brixton, England SW2 5AQ 26A Sudbourne Road, London, UK
Message from Finder: Skinny black cat found wandering the street on Sudbourne Road, Brixton. Quite malnourished so unsure if it has an owner. Friendly and purrs lots!
Description: Very skinny black cat with large green eyes.
Do you have information? Contact finder here: Do you know this pet's owner"
Message from Finder: Skinny black cat found wandering the street on Sudbourne Road, Brixton. Quite malnourished so unsure if it has an owner. Friendly and purrs lots!
Description: Very skinny black cat with large green eyes.
Do you have information? Contact finder here: Do you know this pet's owner"
snowy_again
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Should probably go into the Atlantic Road / Network rail thread too as parking and pavements were covered there before:
Atlantic Road to be transformed and Ferndale and Railton Roads to be ‘low traffic’
From the TFL press release:
"Brixton, Lambeth: This project is focused around Atlantic Road in Brixton, which will transformed for people walking, cycling and using the bus. Local freight access will be maintained with technology utilised to better manage loading and servicing. Investment will overhaul public spaces, widen footways and add a number of new pedestrian crossings, creating a much more welcoming environment for the area's many visitors, residents and businesses. The project will build high-quality infrastructure on three key strategic cycle routes: Brixton to Clapham Common, Brixton to Camberwell and Brixton to Herne Hill. Low traffic neighbourhoods will be created in the Ferndale and Railton neighbourhoods and a new, fully segregated cycle route will link to the Loughborough neighbourhood"
Not quite sure that the Railton Neighbourhood will be getting. Cue lots of outraged car users.
Atlantic Road to be transformed and Ferndale and Railton Roads to be ‘low traffic’
From the TFL press release:
"Brixton, Lambeth: This project is focused around Atlantic Road in Brixton, which will transformed for people walking, cycling and using the bus. Local freight access will be maintained with technology utilised to better manage loading and servicing. Investment will overhaul public spaces, widen footways and add a number of new pedestrian crossings, creating a much more welcoming environment for the area's many visitors, residents and businesses. The project will build high-quality infrastructure on three key strategic cycle routes: Brixton to Clapham Common, Brixton to Camberwell and Brixton to Herne Hill. Low traffic neighbourhoods will be created in the Ferndale and Railton neighbourhoods and a new, fully segregated cycle route will link to the Loughborough neighbourhood"
Not quite sure that the Railton Neighbourhood will be getting. Cue lots of outraged car users.
snowy_again
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Lots of "neighbourhoods" though.
Pickman's model
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yeh feb '04 sounds right
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
"Can you do us a visualisation of what Atlantic Road will look like?"
"Sure! Send over the designs"
"We haven't really got any yet. Also, we've budgeted 10p for your time"
"Right you are, I'll do it for you straight away"
snowy_again
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As if that ^^^ will ever work with some Brixton drivers. I had to stop a van man almost knocking me over on Railton Road this morning, as he thought the pavement would be a good place to drive to undertake the car in front of him.
Brixton Hatter
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This is 100% a good thing.
Traffic reduction in the area will be massively beneficial.
Atlantic Road - of all places - needs to be a more welcoming place for people. At the moment it is dominated by traffic simply driving through the area. Access for deliveries and public transport can be maintained.
Railton Road is a nightmare during the rush hours. Too much motor traffic, congestion and pollution. It's the area's most popular ratrun. Not really used by trade vehicles, but mainly by pseudo-locals making unnecessary short trips and school runs etc.
Gramsci
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From Brixton Blog article:
I don't really understand what the Lambeth Cyclists means in sentence about LJ.
Basically in LJ the residents of the Loughborough estate regarded it as gentrification measure and being imposed on them by Council and the middle class do gooders in LJAG. Despite car ownership being very low in the area. People don't like being told walking is good for them. IMO if rich peoples cars were banned from London to make the rich walk this insistence on making the less well off exercise more might go down better.
So ban Lamborghini particularly if gold plated. I kid you not saw two in West End this week. Also Ferraris with engines tuned for race track. Yes they are regulars in Knightsbridge. Plus Bentleys / Rolls Royce.
At meeting about Higgs Lambeth Cyclist person I know was telling me about this. I asked who applied and had local people / small business in Brixton been asked about this before Council applied for grant to do this.
Looks like no they didn't.
I'm not against it as such. But its top down urban improvements.
I'm not so sure some of the small shopkeepers might be that keen. The foodie business will.
I wonder what the Brixton BID view is.
I don't really understand what the Lambeth Cyclists means in sentence about LJ.
Basically in LJ the residents of the Loughborough estate regarded it as gentrification measure and being imposed on them by Council and the middle class do gooders in LJAG. Despite car ownership being very low in the area. People don't like being told walking is good for them. IMO if rich peoples cars were banned from London to make the rich walk this insistence on making the less well off exercise more might go down better.
So ban Lamborghini particularly if gold plated. I kid you not saw two in West End this week. Also Ferraris with engines tuned for race track. Yes they are regulars in Knightsbridge. Plus Bentleys / Rolls Royce.
At meeting about Higgs Lambeth Cyclist person I know was telling me about this. I asked who applied and had local people / small business in Brixton been asked about this before Council applied for grant to do this.
Looks like no they didn't.
I'm not against it as such. But its top down urban improvements.
I'm not so sure some of the small shopkeepers might be that keen. The foodie business will.
I wonder what the Brixton BID view is.
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thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
What is it you don't understand Gramsci?
The liveable neighborhood scheme is about enabling more local trips to be walked and cycled. The majority of car trips in London are under 5 miles (which almost anyone could cycle) and many under 2 miles (which almost anyone could walk) - we need to stop these being driven to improve Air Quality (pollution in Brixton is amongst the worst in London), carbon emissions (Lambeth has declared a climate emergency and we're counting down 12 years with major changes needed) and public health (many people simply don't get enough exercise putting a huge strain on an already broken NHS). Are you arguing for the opposite - make the pavements smaller, remove pedestrian crossings, raise the speed limit?
In terms of local shopkeepers, this should do well for them - if you're shopping in a car you go to Tesco or Sainsburys, you don't go to Nour. If I want to go to Nour it's 20 minute walk or a 5 minute bike ride. I'll spend more in small, local, shops if I can get there quickly, easily and safely. The restaurants and bars increasingly serve people who arrive from outside the area - again, making it more pleasant for the huge number who live within a few miles of Brixton to walk or cycle to the centre is good for the community. I've lived here 25+ years and I know all sorts of people to say hello to in the street - you get that on a bike or on foot, you don't get that if you drive past in a car.
"Community led" schemes like the "Our Streets" projects over recent years have completely failed to bring any change. The tiny number of highly entitled car owners fight to protect their right to drive short distances and you end up with a few new trees and upgraded speed humps. They've been a waste of money. No-one has their life improved by speeding rat running traffic coming past their door. The real irony is that the developers of Lambeth's council estates realised this - the likes of Blenheim and Cressingham Gardens are so wonderful precisely because they aren't dominated by cars, you can't drive through them. The Southwyck house estate is the same - a big block that doesn't create short cuts for drivers.
If anything that makes the area a better place to live is considered evil gentrification then we're fighting a losing battle but I'd hope you could get behind this.
The liveable neighborhood scheme is about enabling more local trips to be walked and cycled. The majority of car trips in London are under 5 miles (which almost anyone could cycle) and many under 2 miles (which almost anyone could walk) - we need to stop these being driven to improve Air Quality (pollution in Brixton is amongst the worst in London), carbon emissions (Lambeth has declared a climate emergency and we're counting down 12 years with major changes needed) and public health (many people simply don't get enough exercise putting a huge strain on an already broken NHS). Are you arguing for the opposite - make the pavements smaller, remove pedestrian crossings, raise the speed limit?
In terms of local shopkeepers, this should do well for them - if you're shopping in a car you go to Tesco or Sainsburys, you don't go to Nour. If I want to go to Nour it's 20 minute walk or a 5 minute bike ride. I'll spend more in small, local, shops if I can get there quickly, easily and safely. The restaurants and bars increasingly serve people who arrive from outside the area - again, making it more pleasant for the huge number who live within a few miles of Brixton to walk or cycle to the centre is good for the community. I've lived here 25+ years and I know all sorts of people to say hello to in the street - you get that on a bike or on foot, you don't get that if you drive past in a car.
"Community led" schemes like the "Our Streets" projects over recent years have completely failed to bring any change. The tiny number of highly entitled car owners fight to protect their right to drive short distances and you end up with a few new trees and upgraded speed humps. They've been a waste of money. No-one has their life improved by speeding rat running traffic coming past their door. The real irony is that the developers of Lambeth's council estates realised this - the likes of Blenheim and Cressingham Gardens are so wonderful precisely because they aren't dominated by cars, you can't drive through them. The Southwyck house estate is the same - a big block that doesn't create short cuts for drivers.
If anything that makes the area a better place to live is considered evil gentrification then we're fighting a losing battle but I'd hope you could get behind this.
cuppa tee
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I like the idea of pedestrianising this area, but it's a double edged sword, when you consider the monetisation of the arches and changes to the area in general. It's not hard to imagine rent increases will follow and it would be no big surprise if we lost Nour and were forced to go supermarkets instead.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Yes, that's the tough one - how do you increase custom and profitability for current businesses without leading to rent increases that force them out and leave only chain stores. I don't have an answer for that but most high streets across the UK are dying, with shops either empty or gambling or charity. More and more shopping is moving online but specialist retailers should have a future - its' Wing Tai, Nour, a couple of the grocers in the Village, the old continental Deli (sadly missed), that have me spending money in Brixton outside bars and restaurants. The council can take a hard line on change of use - Planning use classes in England - Wikipedia
I'd say you make it easier for those shops to make money - make it easier for their potential customers to get to them.
teuchter
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thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Thanks for the link - that's quite a thread.
Gramsci
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This quote from Lambeth Cyclists:
Can you understand it? I'm not clear what it means. As resident of LJ. What does area wide mean? What does linking social centres be shopping mean?
Gramsci
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The reason why a lot of shops in Brixton and LJ sturggle is rent increases.
My bike shop in LJ is under threat due to rent increase. Nour Cash and Carry was some time ago. Community campaign stopped that.
The deli was forced out by Network Rail.
Shops in Brixton aren't dying. They are being forced out because there business aren't sustainable with landlords rent increases.
What is needed is rent controls on landlords.
Gramsci
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I understand all of it as non car driving cyclist who uses Nour Cash and Carry.
As resident of LJ I can ensure you that the livable neighborhood as pushed by LJAG middle class do gooders was rejected by the working class of LJ.
This is a class issue. And just imposing it on people from above is one way to do it. If thats the way then lets be frank about it.
BTW when the Council demolished the market car park I did help in the campaign to save it. Long-standing market business saw it as damaging to their business. At same time the Council was doing a deal with Tesco in Streatham over the Ice Rink which included them getting car park.
A lot of this Green stuff does not apply to multinationals. But can be imposed on the little market traders.
If was replaced with foodie paradise that is Pop.
No wonder so called "livable neighborhoods" are treated with suspicion.
And it's not about keeping Brixton crap.
Id love to make Brixton a great place.
Id say take that property developer scumbag Lexadon and CPO all his property in Brixton to put it in public ownership. Same goes for the covered markets.
Gramsci
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Streatham has a new Tesco and its ice rink back
Here you go Council creaming themselves over deal with Tescos.
Not that Green.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
The market traders instinctively thought that the car park users formed a significant part of their business, as tends to happen when any controls on parking are proposed. Some research was commissioned that showed the reality was that car park customers just weren’t significant. There’s lots of research showing the same from Waltham Forest and other areas - shopowners massively over estimate the importance of car parking (in fact in many cases it’s the owners own cars that use the parking space outside their shop all day - clearly visible on Acre Lane for example)
CH1
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In an alzheimers-fuelled delerium I found myself in the CAR PARK of the Lambeth Hospital (Landor Road) on Tuesday. (I should have been at the SLAM employment advice service in Lingham Street).
What I'm curious about is why a mental hospital in central Brixton should have a totally chocker-block car park (maybe 100-150 cars in it).
Lambeth Hospital is hardly on a par with Kings, with families visiting granny with a broken hip. Kings has 950 beds and a comprehensive outpatients service - and their highly remunerative car park is accommodated in the former playground of the Caldecott Road Primary School (now re-purposed as the Opthalmic Department of the hospital).
Lambeth Hopsital on the other hand has 79 beds and very limited out-patient facilies (mainly to give patients depot injections).
What I'm coming to is this. How come a hospital whose patients mainly can't drive and have very limited visitors have a 150 space car park with massive signs saying "HAVE YOU PAID" (outsourced company of course).
I reckon it's not just hospitals like Kings milking patients and visitors with car parking charges - in the case of SLAM I suspect they are running an outsourced paid-for public car park.
Appreciate this is not terribly relevant to Brixton market, but it does show IMHO that SLAM's car parking customers are as addicted to their cars as the SLAM substance abuse patients are to their "substances".
Gramsci
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Have you link to the research on the market car park?
On my example in previous post. When the market car park was demolished it housed the temporary ice rink. Whilst the streatham tescos/ ice rink was finished. Market traders said why not use Tescos in Acre lane car park for temporary ice rink.
Of course that would never happen.
My disagreement with how green policies are enacted is that they are put onto the less powerful. A multinational like Tescos wants a car park? No problem.
Same at LJ. The green policies were felt to imposed on the working class bit of LJ.
cuppa tee
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It was a shame some unsavoury characters attached themselves to the anti-closure grouping making it easy for the pro group to represent it as a clarksonesque entitled gammon type thing. Remember a key part of the scheme as a whole was "improving the retail offer" on Coldharbour lane Loughborough crossroads which would suggest again rent rises and gentrification. The view from the other side of the kettle would have a different perspective, a trendy shopping precinct means fuck all if you have to stay out on the pavement.
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Brixton Hatter
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I think they mean there's no point taking a single road and making it "nicer" or reducing the traffic on it, without also sorting out other roads in the area (and local transport generally.)
The closure of Loughborough Road failed partly because it led to drivers flooding nearby residential streets trying to pick their way through to Oval/Kennington or wherever. The theory - as practiced and evidenced successfully in the Netherlands and Denmark etc - suggests looking at an area as a whole and dividing the roads into:
1: residential roads (for people to get to where they live)
2: distributor roads (to connect residential roads and main roads) and
3: main roads (for most traffic, travelling longer distances.)
In practice, what this means, is no one should be driving down residential roads unless they live there. Physical infrastructure is used to enforce this - e.g. one way roads, or filters (e.g. a bollard in the middle of the street which allows pedestrians and cyclists through, maintains access for residents, but doesn't allow through traffic.) This then forces through traffic on to "main" roads - which is what they were built for. Coupled with good public transport and good walking/cycling infrastructure, this ultimately reduces motor traffic in the area - and encourages people onto buses/trains/trams and active travel (walking/cycling) because it's quicker.
The Dutch did this - it took them nearly 30 years to build the infra and implement the system - and it works. Few people drive in towns and cities in Holland because it's quicker, easier and safer to cycle or walk. Most kids cycle to school because it's safe.
In practice, what this would mean for the Loughborough Road scheme (for example) is preventing traffic coming into the area from Herne Hill and up Milkwood Road, and from Brixton and up Coldharbour Lane, and onto Loughborough Road. But also creating safe cycle routes and making the trains run, say, every 10 minutes etc etc.
But you also have to do it in all the neighbouring areas as well - Camberwell, Clapham, Dulwish etc. Then the roads are freed up for essential traffic like buses, deliveries, tradespeople and the emergency services.
It's not rocket science and it works in many places around the world, but it takes time and I think at the moment it's a bit too radical for many British people (drivers). It also seems oddly way beyond the comprehension of many who have been sold the 'freedom' of driving, but are still content to spend hours per day sitting in traffic.
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