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GarveyLives
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A woman's been stabbed to death on Sudbourne Road. Police say it's a domestic incident but
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: "Officers were called 16.36pm on Sunday, April 15 to a residential address in Sudbourne Road, Brixton, following reports of a stabbing.
"Officers attended, along with London’s Air Ambulance. A female, believed to be aged in her 30s, was found suffering from stab wounds.
"Despite the efforts of paramedics she was pronounced dead at the scene. Next of kin are aware. Formal identification awaits."
Source: Daily Mail
A man, who is understood to have been known to the murdered woman, has been arrested.
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A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: "Officers were called 16.36pm on Sunday, April 15 to a residential address in Sudbourne Road, Brixton, following reports of a stabbing.
"Officers attended, along with London’s Air Ambulance. A female, believed to be aged in her 30s, was found suffering from stab wounds.
"Despite the efforts of paramedics she was pronounced dead at the scene. Next of kin are aware. Formal identification awaits."
Source: Daily Mail
A man, who is understood to have been known to the murdered woman, has been arrested.
There's a beer and bread festival in May and some restaurant has shut....get with the real news, mate....
Gramsci
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You made it one on the recently started thread on UK politics forum
The children of Windrush
Are you a Tory?
am not taking a stance here but can you clarify what you mean by that comment (yr posts are well considered and argued so I am interested in your thinking behind this)
David Clapson
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The sickening thing is that many Brexit voters will be privately congratulating May for getting tough on 'the blacks'. For all we know this spectacle has been deliberately orchestrated to shore up May's popularity.
Gramsci
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You should have a look at what slo mo has been posting up on UK politics forum. I've put the link up on my post.
Seems to be supportive of windrush generation. don't see the justification for 'right wing cunt' though.
Gramsci
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May "hostile environment" is as David Lammy MP has said ( see GarveyLives post) is the start of this.
I read the BBC article I am frothing at the mouth.
If one thing that gets me about this country is the small minded Britishness.
Gramsci
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And our PM says she loves immigrants whilst giving them a hard time.
You need to learn to read between the lines.
Gramsci
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I wholeheartedly agree with this and have signed the petition.
but i still don't get this. I'm asking you to help me read between the lines. genuine request, as related to slomo's post (not what our PM does or doesn't say - though their climbdown today shows what a bunch of cunts they are).
Gramsci
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Windrush generation treatment 'appalling'
Well here we go. Read this rather good piece by BBC. Rather the worse from my Polish lagers.
So the Home Secretary is blaming the civil servants. No the civil servants were doing what the Tories told them to do. Create a "hostile environment".
Imo what's been happening to post 71 migrants is not some unfortunate mistake by over zealous civil servants.
What has been happening is set up by May ,when she was Home Secretary, and continued whilst she has been PM.
This isn't some mistake.
If you are a "migrant" the lesson you are supposed learn is that your status here is conditional.
At the same time the powers that be will try to look reasonable by saying that one can of course stay here.
It really is disinengous.
Well here we go. Read this rather good piece by BBC. Rather the worse from my Polish lagers.
So the Home Secretary is blaming the civil servants. No the civil servants were doing what the Tories told them to do. Create a "hostile environment".
Imo what's been happening to post 71 migrants is not some unfortunate mistake by over zealous civil servants.
What has been happening is set up by May ,when she was Home Secretary, and continued whilst she has been PM.
This isn't some mistake.
If you are a "migrant" the lesson you are supposed learn is that your status here is conditional.
At the same time the powers that be will try to look reasonable by saying that one can of course stay here.
It really is disinengous.
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Gramsci
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Slo mo is coming on here all reasonable sounding then posts up on politics threads about East European "immigrants". Go and read the threads. You will see what I am going on about.
Politics is made up of double talk. Would PM May say she's racist/ anti immigrants? Of course not in public.
seems to be talking about immigration policy rather than having a problem with immigrants. It appears to me that pointing out issues with our imigration policy = 'right wing cunt' which I don't read from that at all. also seems like extrapolating slomo's politics and 'real' views from some commentary that doesn't actually suggest an iissue with immigrants per se.
Gramsci
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Next:
Windrush generation treatment 'appalling'
What a piece of Tory shit.
Your in charge you wanker.
So it really is about blaming the bureaucrats.
This is Tory policy. It's not some mistake.
Windrush generation treatment 'appalling'
What a piece of Tory shit.
Your in charge you wanker.
So it really is about blaming the bureaucrats.
This is Tory policy. It's not some mistake.
Gramsci
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Gramsci
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Please.
In my time in London I've had my fill of some Londoners doing the I've nothing against immigrants but line.
I'm not a racist but line.
This isn't that complicated.
I was at work today and my workmates brought this issue up. They are regular working class guys. They instinctively understood this issue as anti immigrants and racist.
GarveyLives
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Could be they don't know the history. Many Caribbean immigrants came when they WERE British citizens (or British Subjects as we used to be called prior to the Blair era).
I had a close friend from Grenada who didn't realise Thatcher had taken away his British citizenship (subjection?)when he wanted to return on a holiday to Grenada in 1981. (Grenada was made independent in 1974 and my friend had come to Britain in 1957.
No doubt had he still been alive post Mrs May as Home Secretary, and had he not applied for a passport between 1980 and now he could have had the pleasure of being denied cancer treatment or being deported.
If people can't see the injustice of encouraging in migrants from the colonies like my friend from Grenada who came to man the railways, then worked for the Dreadnaught Seamens' Hospital, then taking their rights away, they can't.
What more can I say.
so just to be clear, are you saying that any commentary on the uk's immigration policy that questions how many people have been allowed to come to the uk is racist?
I don't doubt that there is much double speak in politics. what is your view on immigration to the uk (inc. labour policy before the current tory govt)?
I'm just trying to understand whether or not it is possible to have a view on immigration that concerns how it has affected the country that doesn't necessarily confer racist views. and if so, how this should be communicated.
i think slomo makes a valid point about controls in the past (which is not just confined to the tory goverment). I also think the windrush issue that has recently arisen is a fucking disgrace to us all.
so what specifically did your working class colleagues think was racist - the view that uncontrolled EU migration has had a knock on effect on the windrush issue? telling me 'is isn't that complicated' isn't helpful unless you are prepared to clarify your stance. and fyi I'm not picking a fight, I'm still trying to understand the issue.
i can certainly see the injustice in this. as I've said I think its a fucking disgrace. and to initially reject the request to meet with CHOGM was a direct and unjustifiable insult. I see they are apologising
Amber Rudd 'sorry' for appalling treatment of Windrush-era citizens
my point is whether slomo's suggestion that uncontrolled eu immigration has potentially led to unintended (or possibly indiscriminate) consequences automatically means that he or she is a 'right wing cunt'. because i really don't think it does.
and having worked with some government bodies in the past, I can very much see Amber rudd's point that the Home Office (well the operational arm) is mistakenly applying policy to the letter and has lost sight of individuals. and also that those at the sharp end probably don't have the framework within which to operate in a way that considers individuals over policy. they need to get a fucking grip.
(eta please do not take any part of this post as being an apologist for how the tory government has behaved over this - that would be (a) boring and (b) entirely missing my point - and that is not directed at any poster in particular)
Gramsci
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My working class workmates are like me. We either have "immigrant" partners or are immigrants. For my working class work mates they are all "remainers". Not because they love EU but because they are part of multicultural London.
Much has been made of divide between those who have supposedly working class settled community and the middle class rootless cosmopolitan. This might apply elsewhere in England but not in London. My experience of working class life in London is that its multicultural. In sense that there are cross race/ nationality relationships going on at ground level.
Why Slo mo talk of EU immigration winds me up.
Ive worked in London with Poles. One good friend of mine is Polish women is living with English guy I know.
Plus on a personal level , their being London, I've worked with a lot if people whose immigration status is dubious.
In USA this wouldn't be such an issue.
Here the Tories brought in *hostile environment".
I think Slo mo is Tory voter. Asked on politics but no reply.
i don't think you have to be working class to apreciate the multicultural aspect of london. nor to have friends or partners who are polish, romanian, barbadian etc etc. it also depends on how you define working class. I went to a school that would not be defined as working class (it was not my choice). and I have and have had friends and partners that fall into all of the categoriees that you describe above. are you suggesting that those that might be defined as middle class have no right to embrace multicultural london? that maybe they pay lip service to it?
yes there is a hostile environment. it is in part due to pressure from certain parts of society that have seen their home towns change significantly over the past 10-15 years.
but I ask again whether having a view on how uncontrolled immigration might have led to some major fucking idiocy re windrush automatically confers racist right wing cuntery.
we are privileged in london to have and have had a thriving multicultural society. a small town in lincolnshire that has seen a very rapid change in demographics (inc slum-type living conditions and all that comes with it) creates further issues that are understandable but perhaps as a result of poor immigration policy and subsequent provision for those that have come here looking for work? which potentially then results in an over-reaction from govt and the application of the letter of the law because the operational arms of the home office are chronically underfunded?
am trying to home in on the point re whether having a view on imigration policy means you are a right wing cunt (with context above). am still not getting it.
ps slomo does not say that eu immigration is bad, only that it was uncontrolled and may have had an impact on the recent issues. that is a fairly considered statement and one that deserves a considered response, not an outright rejection and insult. and ftr, I have no idea who slomo is and do not have an agenda.
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Gramsci
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Sorry this quote stuff is a pain.
Yes.
I'm not in Labour party and am aware they aren't good on immigration issues.
But the Tories are the worst. May was home minister under Cameron "big society". It was her who brought in ", hostile environment"
Clamping down on immigration always has been racist. If dressed up as being reasonable.
Why it winds me up when Rudd says perhaps her civil servants have not seen the " individuals". The whole point of policy laid down by government enacted by dispassionate civil servants was for it to be seen as instrumental bureaucratic function. Not personal or "racist". Racism can be relegated as emotive and irrational populism. The policy practice of May,/ Rudd can be seen as rational containment of these irrational viisceral anti immigrants feelings.
Imo they are capitulation and mis reading of a lot if the reality of working class life. They also reinforce anti immigrant feeling. Knowingly.
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so any dialogue on whether the UK has (and this is just hypothetical) allowed too many people from other countries in, is racist? even if that dialogue is related to how it has impacted the provision of social services or crime or local community cohesion (whether rightly or wrongly)?
eta, and this is exclusively a concern of the working class?
and also just to clarify what we mean by racism as per dictionary definition 'Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.'
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Gramsci
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I've asked Slo mo his agenda and I've taken the trouble to go over his posting record. He still hasn't answered to say if he is a Tory voter.
He does say EU immigration is bad. He uses the term "mass" migration. It's that kind of terminology which is tight wing.
I don't know what London you lived in. When Poles got right to come here thousands arrived. Suddenly I was working with Poles. It was sudden.
I don't think working class Londoners were privileged. If anything it wasn't in the cynical selfish economic interests of working class Londoners to have a load of Poles here. No different from a small town. Which btw I came from. My brother still lives there. He said they were all going on about immigrants. This issue of course came up with Commonwealth citizens coming here after war. Backlash led to 1971 act when they lower right to freedom of movement in commonwealth. No different from Poles.
London is hardly privileged. It's that the working class people I know see it as a rich/ poor divide. Class not race/ immigration.
I see this in Brixton. People do not go on about immigrants or race. They go on as about Pop or the NR social cleansing of arches. They talk about Grenfell. Do in London the resentment us against the well off/ social cleansing of London. It's class issue.
Which , as evidenced here on Brixton forum, some see as prejudice.
I see at as Londoners on whole as seeing the real issue. Class not immigrants.
London wasn't always like this. When I first came here in 80s there was a lot if racism / anti immigrant feeling in certain parts of London.
And are you saying that the 1971 act was a good thing? That it was right to stop the free movement of Commonwealth citizens?
Because I can tell you in Brixton amongst the afro Carribbean community it is still resented. And amongst the Pakistani community I know.
Same argument used then. I m not a racist but argument.
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