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teuchter said:
Can be confusing as in the states osteopaths have proper medical training too but here it is different. This article summarises. There is insufficient evidence to claim definitively that it works.

http://edzardernst.com/2013/06/osteopathy-based-on-little-more-than-wishful-thinking/

The final paragraph is why I think it is important to question it when it comes up in discussions.

For someone with limited funds it is very likely that they will be better served by going to a physio on the NHS than paying out cash to an osteopath for something that probably will not be any more effective. Or even not work at all.

I feel strongly that anyone asking for money for medical treatment should have proper evidence to back it up.
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If we're going to get pedantic about clinical specialties, osteopaths and physios are not interchangeable, and osteopathy is recommended by NICE for lower back pain, so is available on the NHS.

A consultant orthopaedic surgeon who works in the NHS and as a specialist in sports medicine for Saracens and the English Rugby team (ie not a flake or pedlar of woo) has recommended both an osteopath and a physio as the two treatments complement each other for this condition.
 
As an aside, a few years ago, my GP suggested that I should give acupuncture a go after mu RSI became so painful I could barely type any more. The treatment was on the NHS. I was massively cynical but it worked absolute wonders.
 
editor said:
Do you mean the fucking awful rah rah fucking rah Wine Parlour?

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gdubz said:
This morning's emergency osteopath visit took me to Clapham, and against the improbable tide of people of rugby/comicon mutants. The whole time I was thinking "ha ha - how Clapham - when I get back to brixton all will be well". 90 mins of spine cracking later and acre lane is swimming with buzz lightyears and assorted manga cunts. This is the end.
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editor said:
This is what happens when an area becomes infested with tourist-focussed trendy bars, hip restaurants, on-trend pop-ups, wacky cocktail bars and vibrant drinkeries. And there'll be a lot more to come in the summer. We've become the nu-Camden mixed in with the worst of Clapham.
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is there a line one crosses when one thinks "this is place is a bit shit now, time to move on?"
 
i only ask as it's beyond the point of no return and it'll only get closer and closer to that line, not further way - unless just accept the place is going to be stock full of yuppies from now on
 
I'm really warming to this space.

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Brixton poets perform at Granville Market Space
 
Manter said:
If we're going to get pedantic about clinical specialties, osteopaths and physios are not interchangeable, and osteopathy is recommended by NICE for lower back pain, so is available on the NHS.

A consultant orthopaedic surgeon who works in the NHS and as a specialist in sports medicine for Saracens and the English Rugby team (ie not a flake or pedlar of woo) has recommended both an osteopath and a physio as the two treatments complement each other for this condition.
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Would be interesting to know what evidence NICE base their recommendation on - some that was not considered in the reviews that Edzard Ernst mentions?

Just because an individual consultant, or even the NHS systematically, recommends a treatment, does not mean it is an evidence based practice. Let's not forget the NHS still incorporates homeopathy.

I am no expert on osteopathy. But I know that there are questions around it. I think it is important that those considering using it know this. They can then choose whether they want to have a look at the evidence.

Re. the rugby team by the way. Superstition and wacky medical treatments are widespread in the sports world.
 
teuchter said:
Would be interesting to know what evidence NICE base their recommendation on - some that was not considered in the reviews that Edzard Ernst mentions?

Just because an individual consultant, or even the NHS systematically, recommends a treatment, does not mean it is an evidence based practice. Let's not forget the NHS still incorporates homeopathy.

I am no expert on osteopathy. But I know that there are questions around it. I think it is important that those considering using it know this. They can then choose whether they want to have a look at the evidence.

Re. the rugby team by the way. Superstition and wacky medical treatments are widespread in the sports world.
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Perhaps. But forgive me if I give more credence to a highly qualified and experienced medical professional operating within NICE guidelines than some random off the internet
 
Acupuncture was/is recommended for lower back pain as well by the way. But it's looking like the book is pretty much closed on acupuncture now. It's an effective placebo. That's all.
 
teuchter said:
Acupuncture was/is recommended for lower back pain as well by the way. But it's looking like the book is pretty much closed on acupuncture now. It's an effective placebo. That's all.
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I'll go with the NHS and my own experience rather than your opinion, thanks.
Currently, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) only recommends considering acupuncture as a treatment option for chronic lower back pain, chronic tension-type headaches and migraines. NICE makes these recommendations on the basis of scientific evidence.
There is also some evidence that acupuncture works for a small number of other problems, including neck pain and post-chemotherapy nausea and vomiting.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/acupuncture/pages/introduction.aspx
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Manter said:
Perhaps. But forgive me if I give more credence to a highly qualified and experienced medical professional operating within NICE guidelines than some random off the internet
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I'm not pretending to be a qualified or experienced medical professional. I have, however, provided a link to the article by Edzard Enst who I believe to be credible and widely respected and an expert in the matter of trying to figure out what medical treatments actually work.
 
the execrable pop/dance combo Hot Chip are pictured in Brixtons Market Row
on the cover of this weeks Guardian Guide which they were given the honour of editing
 
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the execrable pop/dance combo Hot Chip are pictured in Brixtons Market Row
on the cover of this weeks Guardian Guide which they were given the honour of editing
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not a fan, but Joe from them is one of Two Bears. the other one, Raf, is Rosie's (off of
Rosie's Deli) other half. Raf is an excellent dj. :)
 
teuchter said:
Were I to make a speech about the dubiety of osteopathy it would be for the benefit of other readers. So that, should they at some point consider using it, they would at least be aware of the questions surrounding it, and make a better informed decision about whether it's something they want to spend their money on.
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Just as well no one gives two shits then, I s'pose.

Do drop by again, next time you pull your head from your hole.

*holds breath
 
The Queen's Head was fucking fantastic tonight. I doubt if it will stay the same for much longer, but it was a close as I imagine it's possible to get to the old Brady's/Queen's vibe. Fantastic boozer.
 
Ladies, where do you recommend for getting your eyebrows done? Mine are going to want a referendum for independence soon if they get any bigger. I usually go to Stella's on Atlantic Road, but open to other suggestions.
 
Manter said:
Anyone know/ have used a decent osteopath locally?

And spare me the 'there's no medical evidence' speeches. Thanks in advance.
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On Saturday I spent a lovely 1.5 hours getting my back cracked by a guy called Peter Gray - just off abbeville road. Even did a spot of acupuncture - all for 55 quid. I will be going back :facepalm:
 
editor said:
So who's going for this then?

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Even ten times as big a prize wouldn't tempt me to enter it. Too much stress in the run up to it and the preparartions on the day, and I could do without the scrutiny of my home & possessions and mocking comments by the other contestants.
 
teuchter said:
Can be confusing as in the states osteopaths have proper medical training too but here it is different. This article summarises. There is insufficient evidence to claim definitively that it works.

http://edzardernst.com/2013/06/osteopathy-based-on-little-more-than-wishful-thinking/

The final paragraph is why I think it is important to question it when it comes up in discussions.

For someone with limited funds it is very likely that they will be better served by going to a physio on the NHS than paying out cash to an osteopath for something that probably will not be any more effective. Or even not work at all.

I feel strongly that anyone asking for money for medical treatment should have proper evidence to back it up.
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40 quid gets my back cracked in 15 mins by physio and sent on my way. Osteopath actually started to fix the underlying problem, and spent a lot longer, for cheaper. But, for the avoidance of doubt, when they started cracking then they really cracked.
 
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