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Brixton news, rumour and general chat - June 2015

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CH1 said:
The Popes Road thing was floated earlier on at the Brixton Central consultation. At that time it was part of a design to build a residential block where Tescos was (i.e. the south aAmerican butcher and the nick nack and soft furnishing shops). Under the tower block was to be retail and cafés etc - mirrored by similar retail and cafés in the arches under the high level rail line.

I went to the stall after you flagged it up this morning, but had no time to linger. One of the staff on the stall said all the information and the means to comment was on the Future Brixton website.

It looks like it's probably here: http://futurebrixton.org/brixtoncentral/take-a-look-at-the-proposed-street-market-designs/

Not sure what I am going to do about it - maybe consult others who were also involved in the original Brixton Central consultations such a Gramsci and High Definition
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I'm pretty sure they said they wanted to knock down the toilets in Popes Road as well , so that they can have a new station entrance there. The plans aren't specific on this but there is a vague comment about finding a place for loos but that is to be done under the "wider brixton plan". So these guys can propose that a valuable amenity gets knocked down to make space for some plaza, then trust that Lambeth will put it back somewhere.....right. Interestingly, she had no idea what was to be done with the derelict office block behind the toilets (in the "wider Brixton") remit again, but the artist's impression of the new look station road shows a big old block right there.....

I think the electric avenue proposal looks good (though the cynic in me wonders whether the same traders would be retained, and on reasonable rent levels - though she assured me that people had tenure and couldn't be moved); not convinced about the popes road bit though.
 
gdubz said:
I'm pretty sure they said they wanted to knock down the toilets in Popes Road as well , so that they can have a new station entrance there. The plans aren't specific on this but there is a vague comment about finding a place for loos but that is to be done under the "wider brixton plan". So these guys can propose that a valuable amenity gets knocked down to make space for some plaza, then trust that Lambeth will put it back somewhere.....right. Interestingly, she had no idea what was to be done with the derelict office block behind the toilets (in the "wider Brixton") remit again, but the artist's impression of the new look station road shows a big old block right there.....

I think the electric avenue proposal looks good (though the cynic in me wonders whether the same traders would be retained, and on reasonable rent levels - though she assured me that people had tenure and couldn't be moved); not convinced about the popes road bit though.
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You are right about that - but with Network Rail going one step forward and two steps back at best - In your dreams I would say!

Maybe Pop Brixton could provide a loo block in a couple of containers when all the excitement dies down?
 
CH1 said:
The Popes Road thing was floated earlier on at the Brixton Central consultation. At that time it was part of a design to build a residential block where Tescos was (i.e. the south aAmerican butcher and the nick nack and soft furnishing shops). Under the tower block was to be retail and cafés etc - mirrored by similar retail and cafés in the arches under the high level rail line.

I went to the stall after you flagged it up this morning, but had no time to linger. One of the staff on the stall said all the information and the means to comment was on the Future Brixton website.

It looks like it's probably here: http://futurebrixton.org/brixtoncentral/take-a-look-at-the-proposed-street-market-designs/

Not sure what I am going to do about it - maybe consult others who were also involved in the original Brixton Central consultations such a Gramsci and High Definition
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That appears to have been conceived and designed as a year 9 project.
 
CH1 said:
You are right about that - but with Network Rail going one step forward and two steps back at best - In your dreams I would say!

Maybe Pop Brixton could provide a loo block in a couple of containers when all the excitement dies down?
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Pop have a loo block which anyone can wander in and use. It's kept extraordinarily clean by the bloke who made the "if you don't know me you're not Brixton" gaff at the q&a.

The only flaw with that block is that when you use the urinal closest to the door, anyone looking out from the balcony at the top of the ramp up to the polytunnel, can see you. As I discovered when my girlfriend and her mate started wolf whistling. Classy girls.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Tolerance is fine. Respect should be earned though, or it has no value.
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Have I not earned any respect here? has boohoo not earned any respect here?
I thought it was trust that had to be earned. I still maintain respect is essential in accepting diversity and treating other people with even the most basic level of respect has plenty of value, as anyone who has been spat at in the street, or worse, would tell you.

ViolentPanda said:
Not to put too fine a point on it, some people will view your perpetual "peace and loveness", and your perpetual requests for others to be similarly-inclined, as a form of bullying. It can be perceived as "passive aggressive" behaviour, however odd that may seem to you.
Sometimes impolite, rude or downright abusive argument is necessary. It shouldn't be, but it is.
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That is a weird arguement. Sorry, I thought this was Brixton-news-rumour-and-general-chit-chat thread not the I-dont-live-in-Brixton-anymore-impolite-rude-and-abusive-argument thread?

I like the info I find out on this thread but get really tired of men shouting at each other, mostly because they disagree on who to hate.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Have I not earned any respect here? has boohoo not earned any respect here?
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Was I talking about you or boohoo? I thought it was reasonably obvious that I was stating that in general respect has to be earned, or else it's worthless.

I thought it was trust that had to be earned. I still maintain respect is essential in accepting diversity and treating other people with even the most basic level of respect has plenty of value, as anyone who has been spat at in the street, or worse, would tell you.
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I think you're confusing tolerance and respect. Tolerance is what everybody deserves up until their lack of tolerance impinges into their behaviour toward others. I'd have no respect for someone gobbing on others in the street, but also wouldn't expect them to treat me with respect, because long experience with the hard right has taught me that 80-90% of them are unremitting in their hatreds/prejudices, and I suspect the same goes for homophobes, Islamophobes etc.


That is a weird arguement. Sorry, I thought this was Brixton-news-rumour-and-general-chit-chat thread not the I-dont-live-in-Brixton-anymore-impolite-rude-and-abusive-argument thread?
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Show me where I've voiced a "don't live in Brixton anymore" sentiment, and I'll apologise for it. If you can't do so, then return the favour.

I like the info I find out on this thread but get really tired of men shouting at each other, mostly because they disagree on who to hate.
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Just a little thing, what with patriarchy, but if I posted "...get really tired of women shouting at each other" in a similar context, I would rightly be called a patronising sexist shitbag. Why not use the neutral "poster" instead?
 
ViolentPanda said:
Just a little thing, what with patriarchy, but if I posted "...get really tired of women shouting at each other" in a similar context, I would rightly be called a patronising sexist shitbag. Why not use the neutral "poster" instead?
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But it is mainly men on here shouting at each other. She didn't say that women don't shout at each other in different spaces (they do that). Just on this thread it is mainly men.
 
boohoo said:
But it is mainly men on here shouting at each other. She didn't say that women don't shout at each other in different spaces (they do that). Just on this thread it is mainly men.
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I'm only aware of the biological sex of those posters who choose to reveal they're male or female. I don't assume (because that'd be daft) that someone is male or female by the tone of their comments, so I'm sometimes unaware whether it's a man or a woman shouting the odds. Should I assume that as "on this thread it is mainly men" that anyone who is shouting the odds is a bloke?
 
ViolentPanda said:
I'm only aware of the biological sex of those posters who choose to reveal they're male or female. I don't assume (because that'd be daft) that someone is male or female by the tone of their comments, so I'm sometimes unaware whether it's a man or a woman shouting the odds. Should I assume that as "on this thread it is mainly men" that anyone who is shouting the odds is a bloke?
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I don't assume by someone's tone either. But this thread is mainly men. I will go and count. I am off to see the dinosaurs so later on.. :)
 
ViolentPanda said:
Was I talking about you or boohoo? I thought it was reasonably obvious that I was stating that in general respect has to be earned, or else it's worthless.


I think you're confusing tolerance and respect. Tolerance is what everybody deserves up until their lack of tolerance impinges into their behaviour toward others. I'd have no respect for someone gobbing on others in the street, but also wouldn't expect them to treat me with respect, because long experience with the hard right has taught me that 80-90% of them are unremitting in their hatreds/prejudices, and I suspect the same goes for homophobes, Islamophobes etc.
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You quoted my comment about tolerance and respect which was aimed at a poster I perceived as being disrespectful to boohoo, not at you. I don't think I'm confused about tolerance or respect at all - I want both - I don't think we really disagree about this in general.

Show me where I've voiced a "don't live in Brixton anymore" sentiment, and I'll apologise for it. If you can't do so, then return the favour.
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Your posts were quoting from last nights ding dong (with shifting gears who said he doesn't live here) and my replies were in relation to that, but you knew that surely. Sorry, I know the estate where you live (and I really hope you can continue to do so.)

Just a little thing, what with patriarchy, but if I posted "...get really tired of women shouting at each other" in a similar context, I would rightly be called a patronising sexist shitbag. Why not use the neutral "poster" instead?
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I did say men shouting at each other, not as any slip of pronoun - but because I perceived many male posters being very aggressive, abusive and in my opinion quite macho in their postings. I am sexist its true, but not a lesbian separatist anymore, hey I'm trying to be more tolerant. This isn't about your posts - but about the thread in general. I don't expect the Brixton forums to be as caring as knobbing and sobbing - but it has been like walking into a bar brawl around here at times with abuse and punches thrown about carelessly.
 
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Respect is more important than tolerance. I don't mean respect in the sense of admiration. Yes, admiration has to be earned. But respect in the sense of having due regard for the feelings and rights of others. That should be a starting point.

Tolerance is not enough. It implies underlying discord.
 
Rushy said:
Respect is more important than tolerance. I don't mean respect in the sense of admiration. Yes, admiration has to be earned. But respect in the sense of having due regard for the feelings and rights of others. That should be a starting point.

Tolerance is not enough. It implies underlying discord.
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Life is "underlying discord". It's sad, but it's a fact. A life without underlying discord is a wonderful ideal, but lets not pretend that we're any of us socially and/or ethically advanced enough to be able to achieve that ideal.
 
Someone in real life said something about there being a LGBT History walk being organised in Brixton - anyone know about it?
 
ViolentPanda said:
That's no way to talk about our Parliamentarians! :(

Crystal Palace Park?
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yes - it's the Crystal Palace Overground festival this weekend. We also did a local history tour of Anerley. :)

Right I have done some counting.

13 posters on this thread are definitely women, 22 are definitely men, I have 27 unknowns (all though I have a fair idea with a few of them).

The 27 unknowns tend not to post so often hence I don't know so much about them.

So they also tend not to be the shouty ones.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Someone in real life said something about there being a LGBT History walk being organised in Brixton - anyone know about it?
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LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE THINGS HAPPENED. DEMOS! STRIKES! RIOTS! SQUATS!

* MEETING PEOPLE AND LINKING TO STUFF WE CAN DO NOW

* ENDING WITH DELICIOUS FOOD AND DRINK AND MORE DISCUSSION
Going
QUEERS GO WALKING - BRIXTON EDITION
11 July at 12:00
Herne Hill railway station in London, United Kingdom
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Burst watermain at Kennington Park Road apparenly -affecting SE1, SE5, SE11, SE17, SE24, SW8, SW9, SW19.

At times like these one curses Lord Two-Jags Prescott who promoted boiler scrappage salesmen who also scrapped cold water storage tanks for combi boilers.
 
A message from Thames Water

SE1, SE5, SE11, SE17, SE24, SW8, SW9
No Water and Low Pressure
Message last updated: Monday 29 June 2015 - 11.11AM.

We apologise to customers in the SE and SW areas who may have no water or low pressure.

This is due to a burst on one of our larger water mains in Kenington Park Road, SE11.

We are currently on site assessing the situation.

Kenginton Park Road is currently closed in both directions between Kenington Oval and Kenington Station, diversions are in place.

We apologise for any inconvenience this cause.
 
Peanut Monkey said:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/28/london-the-city-that-ate-itself-rowan-moore?CMP=fb_gu

Lots of mention of Brixton in this article. Makes for depressing reading.
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Utterly depressing.
Take, for example, a row of railway arches in Atlantic Road and Brixton Station Road, Brixton, south-west London, where shops serve the various needs of the area’s communities: fish, Afro-Caribbean hair products, budget carpets, a pawnbroker, a Mediterranean delicatessen that still has the awning installed in the 1970s, when it was Greek-run, but which serves just as well the current management, which is of Portuguese descent. It is run by José Cardoso, whose father took over the shop in 1990. “The fishmongers are in their third generation,” he says. “Some of the businesses have been here for 20, 30 or 40 years.”

His shop, he says, serves everyone “from the white middle class buying Parma ham and olives” to “immigrants getting day-to-day stuff and green coffee”. Yet, like the others in the arches, he has been given notice to quit by Network Rail so that it can renovate them, a process that it says will take a year or more, with the offer of £7,000 compensation and no right to return. The arches don’t obviously need renovation, apart from some repairs to the external brickwork. Cardoso’s shop works just fine as it is. There is every reason to think that the plan is to turf out the existing tenants so that higher-paying businesses can move in: chains and more pretentious and exclusive shops.

Cardoso doesn’t know where he will go. He is thinking of becoming a taxi driver. If he manages to find another place, the rent will be much higher. “We would have to go upmarket,” he says. “It would exclude a whole section of our customers and force them to buy in the chain supermarkets.” His and his staff’s livelihood, a piece of the area’s social fabric and a shop that sells extremely good products without the flummery and expense that accompanies many high-end delis will, together with the other vital businesses in the arches, disappear.
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