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Oh FFS. Come gawk at the poor people, while you graze on teeny little pricey snacks and imbibe £10 cocktails!

The asparagus with brown butter and cheddar was so good I wanted to lick my plate... The atmosphere is quirky with a view of the infamous barrier block [--]
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One of the new kids on the block around Coldharbour Lane is The Shrub and Shutter; like a cocktail culture outreach programme from the capital’s wealthier areas, it’s bringing the latest trend in booze consumption to the masses cowering in the shadow of the fearsome Barrier Block. [--]
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shifting gears said:
Bad news:

Walked past the village and it was full of the same identikit twats as ever - barely an ethnic minority to be seen. But then, lots of people here prefer it that way.

Brixton's dying, if you can't see it, you're one of them.
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I find if you never eat out or go to the Granville Arcade or to any pub that requires ID, Brixton looks fairly similar to 10 years ago. Its not as scruffy as it was 20 years ago. Try shopping for veg around the market or queuing in the credit union or getting an a bus at 7am, if you want to see diversity.

Brixton's not dying. Whats with all this 'us' and 'them' shit anyway. I don't think blaming the young people who can afford to go out to eat and drink, for all the changes in Brixton is very helpful. I am worried that only rich people will be able to afford to live anywhere within zone 4, not just Brixton but all over the capital.
 
editor said:
It feels that the outsiders who looked down at us during the hard times have now moved in, taken over and are still looking down at us.
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Let them. There will always be someone looking down on you. It's not nice but better to rise above it.
 
boohoo said:
I don't think they do



It's not dying, it's changing. It will change again. It has always changed.

For those of us who had no choice but to put up with Brixton through the shit times and deal with people who would look down their nose at the area, it feels harder to deal with when it becomes 'on trend' and those people who didn't like it now fall over themselves to hang out here.
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Nonsense, what were the shit times? When people from diverse backgrounds mixed, interspersed, had things in common? They were the good times, I remember them well. The rest of your post is just balls, sorry. But check the like-rs, that says it all.
 
Or maybe they just coukdnt deal with a genuinely multicultural area, which included drugs, street presence, and edginess. Me, I loved every second, and I'm a skinny cunt who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.
 
shifting gears said:
Nonsense, what were the shit times? When people from diverse backgrounds mixed, interspersed, had things in common? They were the good times, I remember them well. The rest of your post is just balls, sorry. But check the like-rs, that says it all.
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Oh dear lord. Not this again. Do I have to wave my diversity credentials? I lived in Brixton from 1978 to the late 1990s and then return about 8 years ago.

We all perceived what is shit in a different way. The edgy dangerousness you might favour as an adult is not something I liked as a kid. And I don't like the way you associate it with a multicultural area - as if that makes it more likely to have drugs, street presence and edginess. Watch how you phrase things.

It's not like it was in the 1980s and now it's full of people who turned up in the 1990s claiming some kind of authenticity stake!!!
 
boohoo said:
Oh dear lord. Not this again. Do I have to wave my diversity credentials? I lived in Brixton from 1978 to the late 1990s and then return about 8 years ago.

We all perceived what is shit in a different way. The edgy dangerousness you might favour as an adult is not something I liked as a kid. And I don't like the way you associate it with a multicultural area - as if that makes it more likely to have drugs, street presence and edginess. Watch how you phrase things.

It's not like it was in the 1980s and now it's full of people who turned up in the 1990s claiming some kind of authenticity stake!!!
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And I don't like the way you make out it's somehow preferable to how it was even 10 years ago, because it fucking ain't. The character, soul, and cultural diversity is draining out by the day and of you can't see it... You never appreciated what made it great.
 
shifting gears said:
Or maybe they just coukdnt deal with a genuinely multicultural area, which included drugs, street presence, and edginess. Me, I loved every second, and I'm a skinny cunt who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.
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This sounds like another whos-more-brixton-than-who boys pissing contest.

shifting gears said:
And I don't like the way you make out it's somehow preferable to how it was even 10 years ago, because it fucking ain't. The character, soul, and cultural diversity is draining out by the day and of you can't see it... You never appreciated what made it great.
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This is a fucking city with millions of people, there has always been many ways of life here. We are from different backgrounds, cultures, upbringings, experiences, pains and pleasures. We dont all have to agree with you - it doesn't make us wrong. Have some fucking respect.

I always thought tolerance and a great deal of I-don't-give-a-toss attitude made London a great place to live. Live and let live.
 
friendofdorothy said:
This sounds like another whos-more-brixton-than-who boys pissing contest.


This is a fucking city with millions of people, there has always been many ways of life here. We are from different backgrounds, cultures, upbringings, experiences, pains and pleasures. We dont all have to agree with you - it doesn't make us wrong. Have some fucking respect.

I always thought tolerence and a great deal of I-don't-give-a-toss attitude made London a great place to live. Live and let live.
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Well I'm sorry you feel like I'm sniping; actually it's from the heart, and what I feel is the erosion of everything I loved about a place I called home. No longer, cos I can't afford to live there anymore, but of you think I'm dealing in cheap platitudes, so be it.
 
shifting gears said:
And I don't like the way you make out it's somehow preferable to how it was even 10 years ago, because it fucking ain't. The character, soul, and cultural diversity is draining out by the day and of you can't see it... You never appreciated what made it great.
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*weeps*

It's not preferable. I like the 80s version. I was at an ace primary school. And the adventure playground was brilliant and life was care free. My mum was very welcoming and the house was often full of lots of the local school kids. Happy memories. And then squatting in the 1990s - wow. So many good stories. Sitting in the secret gap in the wall drinking cans of beer. And even more recently sitting on the roof of Carlton Mansions with lovely co-op members drinking wine or watching the fireworks with my baby.

I have no time machine to get those different moments back. I've watch the soul get sucked out of different elements of Brixton for my whole life. It's not the place of my childhood or my twenties or thirties. And some of that soul/cultural diversity is the absence of the squat scene, of the punks I observed in my childhood, of the absence of the kids I went to school with, many of them who live in Mitcham and the Heath because they didn't get a council place and Brixton was too expensive.

you see that big mural on the academy - that's my Brixton. And the mural in Slade Gardens Adventure playground - that is my Brixton. It is a very real memory - and no-one can have it. And no matter how many fancy incomers come in and screw the place up, my Brixton is my memories of adventures as a child and an adult.
 
Great. But while it's colonised, raped and dismantled by people who have no such respect or knowledge of its legacy, you'll sit back and salute it. Well not me.

Apologies in advance for probable inappropriate use of 'raped'. But that's what came out of my head first, so I'll stick with it and offer this disclaimer.
 
shifting gears said:
Well I'm sorry you feel like I'm sniping; actually it's from the heart, and what I feel is the erosion of everything I loved about a place I called home. No longer, cos I can't afford to live there anymore, but of you think I'm dealing in cheap platitudes, so be it.
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I'm sorry you can't afford to live here. Why that means you have to be rude to Boohoo (who also can't afford to live here) I've no idea. Telling off other people who love/d this place at different times or for different reasons just shows you are a dick head.

shifting gears said:
Great. But while it's colonised, raped and dismantled by people who have no such respect or knowledge of its legacy, you'll sit back and salute it. Well not me.

Apologies in advance for probable inappropriate use of 'raped'. But that's what came out of my head first, so I'll stick with it and offer this disclaimer.
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No one is saluting anyone here. Shut up with your fucking rape analogies you prick.
 
Well fuck you and your lame apologies for how the place we seemingly both love became fucked and broken. So yeah fuck you too, you liberal do-gooder, cos I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise
 
friendofdorothy said:
Piece about this in Guardian on online http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/26/mental-health-protest-clinic-jobcentre-streatham
There was a resonable and lively turn out to this - I'd say about 70 - 80 people. Nice to see you there CH1
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The demo was worthwhile and quite well attended. I think that only time will tell whether the location of the Living Well Hub in job centre offices works for service users. The motive seems to be cost driven, but at the very least highly insensitive - a PR disaster as far as Lambeth service users are concerned. I worry that these council NHS joint bodies are operating on a different planet and are so far up their own ass they have forgotten what empathy and compassion are all about. Added to which - given Lambeth's obsession with consultations - where was the consultation on this?

The Guardian article is very comprehensive - but the "NHS statement" quoted therein is confusing blather about which quangos/housing associations/voluntary bodies are supposed to be providing NHS mental health services in Lambeth.

I find it worrying that there is supposed to be some sort of crisis provision in Mosaic Clubhouse. I've never seen it - and getting into Mosaic is as difficult as getting out of prison, with cumbersome signing in procedures (so they can claim their funding, rather than for security reasons).

I notice that the Police are not mentioned in the statement about Lambeth Wellbeing Hub. Yet we get mental service users dying in police custody. Seems the Police are not encouraged to bring service users in crisis to SLAM hospitals or other facilities. They either take them to A & E (official policy) or hold them in the cells while they decide what to do. This is not acceptable in a civilised community.
 
boohoo said:
*weeps*

It's not preferable. I like the 80s version. I was at an ace primary school. And the adventure playground was brilliant and life was care free. My mum was very welcoming and the house was often full of lots of the local school kids. Happy memories. And then squatting in the 1990s - wow. So many good stories. Sitting in the secret gap in the wall drinking cans of beer. And even more recently sitting on the roof of Carlton Mansions with lovely co-op members drinking wine or watching the fireworks with my baby.

I have no time machine to get those different moments back. I've watch the soul get sucked out of different elements of Brixton for my whole life. It's not the place of my childhood or my twenties or thirties. And some of that soul/cultural diversity is the absence of the squat scene, of the punks I observed in my childhood, of the absence of the kids I went to school with, many of them who live in Mitcham and the Heath because they didn't get a council place and Brixton was too expensive.

you see that big mural on the academy - that's my Brixton. And the mural in Slade Gardens Adventure playground - that is my Brixton. It is a very real memory - and no-one can have it. And no matter how many fancy incomers come in and screw the place up, my Brixton is my memories of adventures as a child and an adult.
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Don't take the piss and weep on me , fuck you. You patronising cunt.
 
shifting gears What am I meant to do? Bad mouth a few people on the internet?

What exactly is it's legacy? Explain.

And I'm not saluting anything or being passive about it. I believe we are going through one of the faster changes in London since the Victorian period (asides from WW2). I feel that the most important thing is support those being hit by various benefit cuts which are leaving them unable to pay their bills, feed themselves or their family. Yes, I am concerned that people are being pushed out of their community but you know, we survive. I'm more concerned about people starving or taking their own lives because they are struggling.
 
boohoo said:
shifting gears What am I meant to do? Bad mouth a few people on the internet?

What exactly is it's legacy? Explain.

And I'm not saluting anything or being passive about it. I believe we are going through one of the faster changes in London since the Victorian period (asides from WW2). I feel that the most important thing is support those being hit by various benefit cuts which are leaving them unable to pay their bills, feed themselves or their family. Yes, I am concerned that people are being pushed out of their community but you know, we survive. I'm more concerned about people starving or taking their own lives because they are struggling.
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Oh yeah I couldn't care less about that shit. It's all about me.

You patronising cunt.
 
shifting gears said:
Well fuck you and your lame apologies for how the place we seemingly both love became fucked and broken. So yeah fuck you too, you liberal do-gooder, cos I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise
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Actually I recall there has never been a shortage of sexist dickheads in Brixton. 30, 20, 10 years ago or now. Some things never change.

I understand your anger - but why direct it at the posters here? Choose some worthwhile targets. This is just fighting amongst ourselves.
And don't call me a liberal do gooder you prick. I'm mad as hell too.


shifting gears said:
Oh yeah I couldn't care less about that shit. It's all about me.

You patronising cunt.
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that rich coming from you.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Actually I recall there has never been a shortage of sexist dickheads in Brixton. 30, 20, 10 years ago or now. Some things never change.

I understand your anger - but why direct it at the posters here? Choose some worthwhile targets. This is just fighting amongst ourselves.
And don't call me a liberal do gooder you prick. I'm mad as hell too.


that rich coming from you.
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Brilliant. I'm a sexist dickhead now.

As a lifelong supporter of woman's rights, gay rights, and genuine equality, I'm now a bigot.

Get fucked.
 
shifting gears said:
Brilliant. I'm a sexist dickhead now.

As a lifelong supporter of woman's rights, gay rights, and genuine equality, I'm now a bigot.

Get fucked.
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Please can you chill out. You have used particular language that could be misconstrued.

I have huge sympathy for you having to move from somewhere that you love. Now stop taking that angry emotion out on us.
 
CH1 said:
The demo was worthwhile and quite well attended. I think that only time will tell whether the location of the Living Well Hub in job centre offices works for service users. The motive seems to be cost driven, but at the very least highly insensitive - a PR disaster as far as Lambeth service users are concerned. I worry that these council NHS joint bodies are operating on a different planet and are so far up their own ass they have forgotten what empathy and compassion are all about. Added to which - given Lambeth's obsession with consultations - where was the consultation on this?

The Guardian article is very comprehensive - but the "NHS statement" quoted therein is confusing blather about which quangos/housing associations/voluntary bodies are supposed to be providing NHS mental health services in Lambeth.

I find it worrying that there is supposed to be some sort of crisis provision in Mosaic Clubhouse. I've never seen it - and getting into Mosaic is as difficult as getting out of prison, with cumbersome signing in procedures (so they can claim their funding, rather than for security reasons).

I notice that the Police are not mentioned in the statement about Lambeth Wellbeing Hub. Yet we get mental service users dying in police custody. Seems the Police are not encouraged to bring service users in crisis to SLAM hospitals or other facilities. They either take them to A & E (official policy) or hold them in the cells while they decide what to do. This is not acceptable in a civilised community.
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No its no at all acceptable. Mentally ill people are really easy targets for the govt to get at. Is this the first instance of health services moving to DWP property, are they testing it in Lambeth first? Let me know if you hear of more actions around this.
Haven't heard of Mosaic Clubhouse - where/what is it
 
boohoo said:
Please can you chill out. You have used particular language that could be misconstrued.

I have huge sympathy for you having to move from somewhere that you love. Now stop taking that angry emotion out on us.
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You are so gentle and tolerant, where do you get the energy boohoo? If he had said any of those things to me in a pub I'd have poured a drink on him by now, (not my drink obviously I'm not that mad) but having spent the afternoon shouting SHAME at a jobcentre in Streatham I'm a bit worked up.

shifting gears said:
Brilliant. I'm a sexist dickhead now.

As a lifelong supporter of woman's rights, gay rights, and genuine equality, I'm now a bigot.

Get fucked.
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really? I never would have guessed from your disrespectful language and attitude here. You sound more like a bully boy to me.
 
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