Brixton news, rumour and general chat - January 2015

[Rushy]

do you know what the phrase Structural Inequality means?

Is that your answer?

 

[Belushi]

Sounds a very progressive attitude you have there. I'm out

eh? you think it's 'progressive' to pretend that peoples life chances aren't largely determined by socio-economic circumstances they're born in to?

 

[el-ahrairah]

Sounds a very progressive attitude you have there. I'm out

you were never in, lickspittle. you know what side you're on. same as mr landlord rushy up there, trying to equate crude criticism of the ruling oppressors with racism. if he was honest, or understood structural inequality, he'd recognise that the similar contextual expression for race in brixton would probably be whites out.

who will defend the poor oppressed landowners?

 

[elmpp]

eh? you think it's 'progressive' to pretend that peoples life chances aren't largely determined by socio-economic circumstances they're born in to?

Again, I'd highlight the fact that things are more nuanced and that there are many variables. Class, yes, plays a fair part in things.

It certainly does not come first and foremost though and i feel there's been a fair few assumptions about mine because i make a point about the hostility on these boards

 

[elmpp]

you were never in, lickspittle. you know what side you're on. same as mr landlord rushy up there, trying to equate crude criticism of the ruling oppressors with racism. if he was honest, or understood structural inequality, he'd recognise that the similar contextual expression for race in brixton would probably be whites out.

who will defend the poor oppressed landowners?

Name-calling now?

 

[el-ahrairah]

worse than hitler, me. at least hitler never called anyone a lickspittle on the internet *chastises self*

what signifiers are stronger than class in british society?

 

[gabi]

This thread always delivers when I pop by

I don't even know why you bother creating a monthly one tbh. It's the same old shit month after month.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I much preferred the old Brixton, it was so mixed and inclusive, everybody was welcome. Unless they were "posh" of course.

Except, of course, that they were, in "the old Brixton".
The difference being that most of them were/are living here, whereas what's being talked about is posho "entrepreneurs", many of whom don't live locally, opening businesses that change the social dynamic of the area so that some locals no longer feel "at home" in their own community, and see the shops that used to sell life's little necessities turn into outlets designed to appeal to the night-time economy.

 

[Rushy]

It's interesting to see an objection to phrases along the lines of "poshos out" being likened to an objection to class analysis. Does it follow that by objecting to the term "whites out" one must be opposed to the analysis of matters of race?

 

[elmpp]

worse than hitler, me. at least hitler never called anyone a lickspittle on the internet *chastises self*

what signifiers are stronger than class in british society?

That's another discussion.

Righteous hatred out, mkay?

 

[teuchter]

trying to equate crude criticism of the ruling oppressors with racism.

I didn't see an attempt to equate. The purpose of the comparison wasn't to suggest that one was as bad as the other.
That's what you want it to suggest, I think.

 

[editor]

It's interesting to see an objection to phrases along the lines of "poshos out" being likened to an objection to class analysis.

FYI: it was actually worded rather more politely. The person said, "Posh people out of Brixton please." I liked the addition of the word 'please.' Good manners.

 

[ViolentPanda]

sheds would be more interesting. Sound like people who don't have a single idea but have all the jargon to make up for it.

As someone who reads managerialist jargon-ese, I'm always concerned if the first thing mentioned is "outputs", because it indicates that what concerns the company/business/social enterprise is fitting outcomes to an agenda that tick's the business's boxes, not the boxes of the person participating in their programme.

 

[el-ahrairah]

It's interesting to see an objection to phrases along the lines of "poshos out" being likened to an objection to class analysis. Does it follow that by objecting to the term "whites out" one must be opposed to the analysis of matters of race?

yeah, probably. i'd imagine that if you read the expression "whites out" and were more angry at the bigotry in that statement than interested in an understanding or critique of the social conditions that caused that statement, it's probably because you're not interested in a racial analysis of society.

 

[el-ahrairah]

righteous
ˈrʌɪtʃəs/
adjective

1. 1.
   morally right or justifiable.
   "feelings of righteous indignation about pay and conditions"
   synonyms: good, virtuous, upright, upstanding, decent, worthy;

you want less of this stuff, elmpp?

 

[ViolentPanda]

That sound you hear is several dozen boxes being ticked on a checklist based on some funding criteria documents. Doesn't really make much difference what happens after that.

Yup. Fuck those participating in the project, as long as those boxes get ticked and the "social enterprise" gets good rep.
Cunts!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Supporters of the posh, draining what little political capital they have left. They are on the wrong side of every economic argument and they know it.

I have to disagree with you there, Dexter.
For the posh and their cheerleaders,there is only one side to any economic argument - theirs, so it's actually impossible for them to be on the wrong side.

 

[elmpp]

righteous
ˈrʌɪtʃəs/
adjective

1. 1.
   morally right or justifiable.
   "feelings of righteous indignation about pay and conditions"
   synonyms: good, virtuous, upright, upstanding, decent, worthy;

you want less of this stuff, elmpp?

Fair enough. What i meant was self-righteousness

adjective
1.
confident of one's own righteousness, especially when smuglymoralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

 

[teuchter]

el-ahrairah, is your position that bigotry is not always a bad thing, or that bigotry is always a bad thing?

 

[el-ahrairah]

you want me to pretend that i'm wrong?

kinky.

 

[el-ahrairah]

i made myself late for work arguing. perhaps it is my fault i'm poor

 

[editor]

This thread always delivers when I pop by

I don't even know why you bother creating a monthly one tbh. It's the same old shit month after month.

A concept you'd have no problem relating to.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Myatts Fields North could have been like Battersea village but for the slum clearance of 40 years ago. They have just cleared the slums they built in the 70s and are building something that makes me think they are battery farmibg people in hutches

Its about density we can fit more properties in this space - Central government requires us to build more accomodation. Whatever the cost.
Lambeth's Labour party doesn't seem to realise they are accomodating the people who can afford this, supporters of the Tories who will vote them out of office.

Ric, I'm going to contradict you here and say that Lambeth Labour not only know about the changing demographic, but that some of them welcome it. Several councillors have been "caught" bemoaning the excess of social housing stock in their wards, and the "hard work" this entails. Sweeping aside some social housing, even incrementally, will make the borough more and more isolated into concentrated zones of haves and have-nots, and our Red Tory wankers at the Town Hall really don't give much of a toss about the have-nots.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This righteous hostility toward anyone even remotely considered a posho is vile.

It's also uniformly applied, as far as i can see, to anyone who doesn't fit the bill.

- braying
- villaaaaage
- jaunty hats
Etc etc

I think the phrase you keep aiming for and missing is "self-righteous", you sententious pillock.

 

[steeeve]

Can someone help me out with what class I am? My grandparents were coal miners and housewives, my mum was a teacher and my dad worked as a surveyor for the council, I own a flat in Brixton (or rather a fraction of it, the bank own the rest) and yes I wasn't born around here

 

[T & P]

I think this thread could do with a few (Brixton) cats to offset the all-round unpleasantness of late...

 

[gabi]

A concept you'd have no problem relating to.

Seriously, does posting stuff like this actually make you happy? What do you get of this?

 

[leanderman]

Can someone help me out with what class I am? My grandparents were coal miners and housewives, my mum was a teacher and my dad worked as a surveyor for the council, I own a flat in Brixton (or rather a fraction of it, the bank own the rest) and yes I wasn't born around here

You're Leander class!

 

[Rushy]

yeah, probably. i'd imagine that if you read the expression "whites out" and were more angry at the bigotry in that statement than interested in an understanding or critique of the social conditions that caused that statement, it's probably because you're not interested in a racial analysis of society.

I'm not sure whether you imagined a more specific scenario because it is convenient, or whether you are saying that an objection to bigotry cannot coexist with an interest in the causes of bigotry?

 

[steeeve]

You're Leander class!

Was just interested at what point one becomes a posho? Presumably my accent rules me out