Brixton news, rumour and general chat - January 2015

[elmpp]

Inverse snobbery is vile, as is any other derogatory slander.

It's clear that people think it's OK because of some righteous anger against poshness.

What gets me is that everyone fails to see that everyone is, to some extent, complicit in the changes and slandering just means they're hypocritically vile

 

[editor]

Inverse snobbery is vile, as is any other derogatory slander.

It's clear that people think it's OK because of some righteous anger against poshness.

What gets me is that everyone fails to see that everyone is, to some extent, complicit in the changes and slandering just means they're hypocritically vile

I don't think you know what slander means, tbh, but feel free to keep on ranting away. This clearly is something that pushes a multitude of your buttons.

 

[ricbake]

So its another one of these organisations like A4E that pimp out on the unemployed.

These organisations get paid contracts to do this. Get paid on "outcomes". Read the guff they come out with and one would think they do it for free.

What is really needed is proper training courses that people can go on. ie ones with a real qualification at the end. Not a load of positive thinking bollox from social entrepreneurs.

I think A4E was the demented child of an ideal of a redundant shipyard worker who was corupted by a big business concept which got completely out of hand.
Digi sheds looks like a much more invidious distilation of corporate bile sent in with an edgy coolness as a precurser to the 21st century workhouse


Or I might just be a bit pissed..........

 

[elmpp]

I don't think you know what slander means, tbh, but feel free to keep on ranting away. This clearly is something that pushes a multitude of your buttons.

It's clear to what I refer.

Give us another italisised tale of a braying, coked up posh twat ranting at you on a night out

 

[editor]

It's clear to what I refer.

Give us another italisised tale of a braying, coked up posh twat ranting at you on a night out

And there he goes again.

 

[elmpp]

These boards require mod ignore

 

[editor]

These boards require mod ignore

I think you just need to calm down.

 

[ricbake]

These boards require mod ignore

Is that like a button you can select that sends everything you post to the dustbin

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

Supporters of the posh, draining what little political capital they have left. They are on the wrong side of every economic argument and they know it.

 

[elmpp]

I'm making a serious point - how can inverse snobbery to this extent be justified?

 

[leanderman]

go on to the cressingham gardens thread, elmpp, and tell them that complaining about gentrification is worse than the fact theyre all being made homeless so lambeth can move wealthy people in.

Has a decision been taken to make everyone in Cressingham homeless so as to move posh people in?

I didn't think it had got that far. Is that one of the 'options'?

 

[Gramsci]

What gets me is that everyone fails to see that everyone is, to some extent, complicit in the changes QUOTE]

This is a meaningless phrase.

Everyone lives in society. That does not mean that everyone has the same power or wealth to change it.

 

[Gramsci]

Has a decision been taken to make everyone in Cressingham homeless so as to move posh people in?

I didn't think it had got that far. Is that one of the 'options'?

I was speaking to a Council tenant recently , who does not post on these boards, she is convinced the Council wants to move the "yuppies" into Cressingham Gardens. She does not live in Cressingham Gardens either.

This so called "inverse snobbery" is widespread.

 

[Greebo]

<snip> didn't think it had got that far. <snip>

The softening up process has gone on more than long enough. There's no longer even much pretence that it's consultation and not softening up. The regeneration charter has been rejected by tenants, this week.

The council are still not legally bound by the test of opinion, which isn't even going to include every resident of the estate who is listed on the electoral roll. You know what? I've said all this before (and more) and just CBA - go and boil your head.

Flats rebuilt on the estate will have higher rents, all will be put on water meters, and all will be 2 council tax bands higher than currently. Thus pricing working poor households off the estate. That's before you allow for the benefit cap. A suit at a recent meeting said that the council wouldn't be so silly as to price the estate's tenants out of their own homes - cue a ripple of mild derision.

Alternatively, come to one of the TRA meetings and ask how people feel. People are becoming seriously ill (mostly physically ill, I might add) because of this shit, but you apparently prefer to wank over it. That's so classy of you.

Leasholders and freeholders (about a third of households on the estate) will have next to no chance of staying as they've been offered roughly 60%.

 

[leanderman]

The softening up process has gone on more than long enough. There's no longer even much pretence that it's consultation and not softening up. The regeneration charter has been rejected by tenants, this week.

The council are still not legally bound by the test of opinion, which isn't even going to include every resident of the estate who is listed on the electoral roll. You know what? I've said all this before (and more) and just CBA - go and boil your head.

Flats rebuilt on the estate will have higher rents, all will be put on water meters, and all will be 2 council tax bands higher than currently. Thus pricing working poor households off the estate. That's before you allow for the benefit cap. A suit at a recent meeting said that the council wouldn't be so silly as to price the estate's tenants out of their own homes - cue a ripple of mild derision.

Alternatively, come to one of the TRA meetings and ask how people feel. People are becoming seriously ill (mostly physically ill, I might add) because of this shit, but you apparently prefer to wank over it. That's so classy of you.

Leasholders and freeholders (about a third of households on the estate) will have next to no chance of staying as they've been offered roughly 60%.

It seems irrational to me to knock buildings down.

I can't believe they would be so stupid.

It's not a question of 'wank' or 'classiness'.

 

[editor]

I know a few people who live on Cressingham Gardens and they also say that they feel powerless, ignored and most likely going to have their homes swept aside for some private luxury housing development. To be honest, that's what several people on my estate feel too, such is the distrust in Lambeth and the seemingly unstoppable forces of private developers.

 

[ricbake]

It seems irrational to me to knock buildings down.

I can't believe they would be so stupid.

It's not a question of 'wank' or 'classiness'.

Myatts Fields North could have been like Battersea village but for the slum clearance of 40 years ago. They have just cleared the slums they built in the 70s and are building something that makes me think they are battery farmibg people in hutches

Its about density we can fit more properties in this space - Central government requires us to build more accomodation. Whatever the cost.
Lambeth's Labour party doesn't seem to realise they are accomodating the people who can afford this, supporters of the Tories who will vote them out of office.

 

[Mr Retro]

I was speaking to a Council tenant recently , who does not post on these boards, she is convinced the Council wants to move the "yuppies" into Cressingham Gardens. She does not live in Cressingham Gardens either.

This so called "inverse snobbery" is widespread.

That's not inverse snobbery though. That lady wants to keep yuppies out of Cressingham gardens which I would wholly support. A "suit" speaking at a meeting isn't automatically posh.

You can dislike inverse snobbery and support the people in Cressingham Gardens and tenents who are forced out of their houses in general. It's not mutually exclusive. "Posh" people aren't the reason why society is fucked. They are an easy target but they are the wrong target.

 

[SpamMisery]

Thats not inverted snobbery, that's just having a belief on something.

 

[Rushy]

That's not inverse snobbery though. That lady wants to keep yuppies out of Cressingham gardens which I would wholly support.

What precisely is a yuppie in your view, why do they want to move into Cressingham and why is out ok to keep them out?

 

[Mr Retro]

What precisely is a yuppie in your view, why do they want to move into Cressingham and why is out ok to keep them out?

In this case I interpreted the meaning as those being the driving force behind the move to get people out of their homes in Cressingham.

Again I have no problem with "yuppies" per se. I was a young urban professional myself until age would now make that description of me wholly inaccurate.

 

[billythefish]

There should be no room for bigotry, no matter who it is against. It is true to say that Urban professionals and the aristocracy appear to be the last section of society where open season still exists.

However, the comments above and elsewhere refer to factual observations. Antisocial behaviour has mushroomed; the council is riding roughshod over the very people it likes to think it supports; people visit Brixton for their nights out completely oblivious to the poverty on their doorstep. This has been satirised for ages (remember Nathan Barley? "I saw you coming"?).

There's a difference.

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

What these fuckers are choosing to ignore is the power dynamic, they are sickeningly disingenuous.
It's the poor that have had open season declared upon them not the rich and the powerful, not the homeowners but those on benefits, the sick and disabled.

It's the last refuge of the desperate posh fuckwits to claim they are somehow equal victims, fuck the lot of them.

 

[Greebo]

It seems irrational to me to knock buildings down.

I can't believe they would be so stupid. <snip>

Yes but this is Lambeth FFS - logic doesn't seem to come into the collective heads of the council. Repair and refurb is "too expensive", except there are figures to prove that it isn't. After several months of trying to stop the estate's own number crunchers getting access to the figures, it's out. Worst case refit of the kitchens & bathrooms plus rewiring etc comes in at approximately half of what the council estimated it would cost. Even structural repairs would be significantly cheaper than regeneration.

The council's preferred option knocks down the entire estate block by block, rebuilds block by block, and adds on just 15 bedrooms at the end of 10-15 years of mess and disruption. They reckon less, but looking at Clapham Park and Myatts field, it's easily going to take several years.

In the option preferred by the council, not by residents, nobody gets to stay where they are. There's a single decant. There's no measure in place to keep your neighbours even in the same cluster, and no certainty that you get a balcony or garden if you've got one now - bad news for pet owners. This could be very convenient if anyone were trying to play divide and rule with the residents of the estate.

 

[elmpp]

This righteous hostility toward anyone even remotely considered a posho is vile.

It's also uniformly applied, as far as i can see, to anyone who doesn't fit the bill.

- braying
- villaaaaage
- jaunty hats
Etc etc

 

[Mr Retro]

It's the poor that have had open season declared upon them not the rich and the powerful, not the homeowners but those on benefits, the sick and disabled.

I agree that the poor are in a very bad situation and less and less is being done to help while the rich get taxed less and add to their wealth.

But I've seen you condem "homeowners" before. Why? Are Homeowners to blame for the peoples problems? That makes no sense.

It's the last refuge of the desperate posh fuckwits to claim they are somehow equal victims, fuck the lot of them.

I've never seen this claim.

 

[Tricky Skills]

A consultation for Longfield Hall, Myatt's Fields. Local Trust wants idea for new uses. Very short, very simple to complete.

BBuzz piece.

 

[Manter]

A consultation for Longfield Hall, Myatt's Fields. Local Trust wants idea for new uses. Very short, very simple to complete.

BBuzz piece.

fabulous building

 

[editor]

So the Federation guys have sold out to the 'seasonal and inventive' people from Salon. I used to love Federation but stopped going ages ago.
"New Coffee owners unite the markets" says the Bugle. Not quite sure what that means.

 

[han]

So the Federation guys have sold out to the 'seasonal and inventive' people from Salon. I used to love Federation but stopped going ages ago.
"New Coffee owners unite the markets" says the Bugle. Not quite sure what that means.

Entirely unsurprising. [emoji20]