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Brixton news, rumour and general chat - February 2014

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el-ahrairah said:
another common misconception that the british middle classes have is that the working classes despise them. this is because the middle classes are well aware that, were they to find themselves subject to the structural inequalities that the working classes face, they would hate the middle classes.

curiously, rather than empathy or an improved class analysis, this seems to result in viewpoints that either fear the working classes and so seek to keep them down, or blaming their lack of revolutionary behaviour on some sort of inherant weakness - laziness,fecklessness, or greed.

the simple truth is that we may feel annoyance at the middle classes for various reasons, good or bad, we don't loathe individuals for their class. no-one can help what class they were born into, or the society into which they grew up. we might make sweeping statements about how awful the middle-classes are, but come the revolution you'll probably be alright if no-one denounces you for going into champagne and fromage.
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I don't believe that the working classes despise me.

It was a reference to Dexter Deadwood's earlier statement that he despises the middle classes. I don't assume that his attitude is universal to "the working classes".

While much of what you say is true you need also to be aware that some of what you seem to want to apply blanket-style is based on your assumptions and what you want to believe. It's illustrated by your inability to provide any evidence of the attitude you earlier ascribed to me.
 
teuchter said:
I don't believe that the working classes despise me.

It was a reference to Dexter Deadwood's earlier statement that he despises the middle classes. I don't assume that his attitude is universal to "the working classes".

While much of what you say is true you need also to be aware that some of what you seem to want to apply blanket-style is based on your assumptions and what you want to believe. It's illustrated by your inability to provide any evidence of the attitude you earlier ascribed to me.
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I think you are being a bit naughty here.
 
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teuchter said:
I don't believe that the working classes despise me.

It was a reference to Dexter Deadwood's earlier statement that he despises the middle classes. I don't assume that his attitude is universal to "the working classes".

While much of what you say is true you need also to be aware that some of what you seem to want to apply blanket-style is based on your assumptions and what you want to believe. It's illustrated by your inability to provide any evidence of the attitude you earlier ascribed to me.
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we can all make assumptions about people's assumptions based on their other assumptions. that's cross-class, that is.
 
leanderman said:
I turn out to be Rigsby from Rising Damp - middle-lower middle class.
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"Basically you're Mrs Overall from Victoria Woods antiques" it told me!

Actually I'd rather be Rigsby - which brings me onto the Urbs' pet topic.
I do have an African lodger in the attic, though he works at Tescos and doesn't have a skeleton - or have aspirations to being a prince.

I never properly adjusted from my student days living in Rusholme in Manchester in poor lodgings (started at £3 per week, gradually rising to £5 per week. No bath, no central heating.

I charge my lodger £140 per month - increased to that when he ceased to be a student and I had to pay full council tax. He has been here 10 years now, and accepts the place and me as he finds them.

I would willingly take other non-complaining lodgers - but the trend these days is for everyone to demand their own private space and to sue if things are not to their liking, or they are asked to leave.

When I moved here in 1986 I had at one point 5 people (including myself) living here - but it seems to me that the only solution that works long term is if lodgers are prepared to accept being in a quasi-family relationship (in the a good way).

In a way I would think that it would make sense to scrap the council tax and REPLACE it with bedroom tax for all. I would certainly get my finger out and rent out a couple more rooms if I was paying tax on empty rooms!
 
teuchter said:
If it's a genocide-based solution then I probably wouldn't be so keen. But as a member of the despised problem class (along with the majority of the regular posters on this thread), I wonder what you'd like us to do differently. Should I never have moved to Brixton? Should I have stayed away from London altogether?
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Interesting. You appear to be saying that you know the class of "the majority of regular posters on this thread", but surely what you actually mean is that you presume that you know such a thing?
 
el-ahrairah said:
what's interesting is that most of his' not sures' are working class people - at least, those i've met anyway. i suspect that he finds it hard to be sure because those posters are articulate and literate, thus confusing the middle class poster as to their origins - they're not the semi-literate numbskulls the WC are meant to be, but are clearly also not one of us... hence, confusion.
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Definite nail-on-head territory. Isn't it terrible, some of us not being easily quantifiable due to our ability to write in a reasonably "correct" way? :D
 
ViolentPanda said:
Definite nail-on-head territory. Isn't it terrible, some of us not being easily quantifiable due to our ability to write in a reasonably "correct" way? :D
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You will no doubt be as evasive as el-ahrairah when it comes to producing any kind of evidence that supports what you want to believe.
 
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