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all these new towns built to get people out of town. They thought it was a paradise and a few years later people realise they are living in Harlow or Billericay or some other concrete dystopia.

The places that they left, their kids could only dream of living in.
 
boohoo said:
I suggested that I think social housing should be for life and for whoever wants it. You mention council housing building which would be great but this is not happening so what to do?

My parents are now financially in the best position they've ever been. However my dad's dementia is getting worst so moving him would not be a good idea. I'm sure with time limited tenancies, there would be some reasonable argument to why people can't move such as illness, disability, kids still at school.
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This is naive.

What is wrong with supporting secure tenancies and building Council housing? Its not utopian. Its been done before.

You are sure that with time limited tenancies there would be reasonable arguments why people cannot move. Do you realise how stressful its would be for people to have to prove they are to ill to move? Like the bedroom tax it would be a legal nightmare. I very much doubt that kids at school argument would work.The whole of a persons life would be examined by officialdom and argued about every few years. Probably with a system decisions and appeals.

What to do is not to water down perfectly reasonable tenancy rights. And its not just me saying this. I have talked to people on Tenants Council and they adamantly were against new Council tenants being put on time limited tenancies. Even when told it would not affect existing tenants.

There position, correctly imo. is that watering down Council tenants rights is the thin edge of the wedge. It would also cause division on estates between those on secure tenancies and those on time limited ones. Who would have to prove that they should get tenancy renewed. The whole thing is a nightmare. What if you think you cannot afford to move on and Council said you had not tried hard enough? Would you lose your home? Lawyers would love to look into Human Rights angle on this.

Also the Council tenants were against it as they wanted stable communities on there estates and neighbourhoods. Not people who would never be sure if they could live there in a few years time.
 
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Smick said:
all these new towns built to get people out of town. They thought it was a paradise and a few years later people realise they are living in Harlow or Billericay or some other concrete dystopia.

The places that they left, their kids could only dream of living in.
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Actually I think you could be right on this.

Did hear a radio programme where people talked of moving out of poor quality housing in central London to "new towns". It was considered the thing to do then.
 
The slums! They cleared out properties by Waterloo, Camden, Vauxhall and promised a life of plenty in a nice rural environment. And most of those houses which people were moved out of would be more worth millions.
 
Gramsci said:
Actually I think you could be right on this.

Did hear a radio programme where people talked of moving out of poor quality housing in central London to "new towns". It was considered the thing to do then.
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Most of my Mums family moved out to a new town in the sixties and seventies. Clean, fresh air, grass, trees, indoor bathrooms, fitted kitchens and carpets, jobs in new industries, low crime, kids can have their own bedrooms. New towns were the future and its easy to forget how down at heel London was in those days.

A generation later I couldn't wait to get out and move to the big smoke :D
 
Belushi said:
Most of my Mums family moved out to a new town in the sixties and seventies. Clean, fresh air, grass, trees, indoor bathrooms, fitted kitchens and carpets, jobs in new industries, low crime, kids can have their own bedrooms. New towns were the future and its easy to forget how down at heel London was in those days.

A generation later I couldn't wait to get out and move to the big smoke :D
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Innit :D
 
boohoo said:
I've met a few lefties who have a buy to let - really surprised me!
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As Gramsci said above, they regard is as their pension. I have spoken to at least one Urbanite who now wishes they'd held on to their flat when buying another property.
 
In local former pub/supermarket news it looks like there will be a Co-Op opening on Coldharbour Lane - there is an application for a variation of licence conditions of the premises at 201 Coldharbour Lane made by Co-Operative Food (I think basically to change the licence from being a pub licence to a supermarket selling alcohol).

201 Coldharbour Lane is of course the former Crown/ Mucky Duck so it looks like it will be a Co-Op instead of a Sainsburys local as had previously been suggested/feared. This at least brings some variety to the numerous 'local' supermarket shops we have across Lambeth!
 
Gramsci said:
Much prefer to have a Coop store. I am member of Coop. I use the ones in the West End.
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The Co-op in Tulse Hill is fairly awful. While the organisation's intentions may be honourable, the shopping experience is awful. Also, none of the bargains which I read about on Hot UK Deals never seem to be in our Co. My brother is s big fan of his Co up in the North East but hates our one.
 
Smick said:
The Co-op in Tulse Hill is fairly awful. While the organisation's intentions may be .
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Yeah, the Tulse Hill shop is poor, and the Streatham Hill one isnt much better. The prices are also a bit weirdly steep on some basic things. However, intentions are good, so I prefer them to the usual Tesco-Sainsbury mafia.
 
simonSW2 said:
Yeah, the Tulse Hill shop is poor, and the Streatham Hill one isnt much better. The prices are also a bit weirdly steep on some basic things. However, intentions are good, so I prefer them to the usual Tesco-Sainsbury mafia.
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I expect it will be like the one on Camberwell New Road which they did up last year - the focus is all on fancy danish pastries, 'artisan' bread, prosecco and chilled bottles of wine type premium products rather than standard supermarket fare I guess to reflect the increasingly rich demographics of the area and distinguish itself from the Tesco across the road.
 
The big thing with the Co-op used to be "99" Tea. I hope that hasn't gone down the pan!
 
Smick said:
The Co-op in Tulse Hill is fairly awful. While the organisation's intentions may be honourable, the shopping experience is awful. Also, none of the bargains which I read about on Hot UK Deals never seem to be in our Co. My brother is s big fan of his Co up in the North East but hates our one.
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The one I use in Soho does do the deals.

But does not do much from the Coop simply value range.

I do think its pricey. Especially as the Coop was meant to be an alternative for the average person. I remember where I grew up people would fill up the little books with dividend stamps from Coop shop.

The intentions are honourable- animal welfare, fairtrade and paying suppliers well.
 
Gramsci said:
The one I use in Soho does do the deals.

But does not do much from the Coop simply value range.

I do think its pricey. Especially as the Coop was meant to be an alternative for the average person. I remember where I grew up people would fill up the little books with dividend stamps from Coop shop.

The intentions are honourable- animal welfare, fairtrade and paying suppliers well.
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There are deals, just not very good ones. I think that it is maybe all done at a regional level. You can pick up a Rustlers cheeseburger for a quid but whether that's value I don't know. I'd be sceptical about animal welfare and fair trade s well.
 
Gramsci said:
I do not understand your argument. You say that your parents have lived in social housing for 35 years. Then you agree with time limited tenancies until people "have set them self up". When exactly will your parents being moving on? According to your argument they have benefited from 35 years of low rent. Plenty of time to "set them self up".

If you think time limited tenancies are the best that can be done as this is not an ideal world why do you criticise your parents RSL for trying to increase there income by new service charges?

Time limited tenancies and affordable rent regime go together.

Council tenants have struggled hard to keep secure tenancies. What is needed is a housebuilding programme. All the money that went into "quantitative easing" ( which went into repairing banks balance sheets ) could have been used to build Council housing.
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The whole issue of time-limited tenancies is a Trojan Horse, in my opinion. Something deliberately designed to transfer the sort of minimal rights private renters "enjoy" into public sector rental. Of course, a social housing shortage of the proportions we're looking at, means that RSLs have the upper hand in coercing prospective tenants into accepting inferior tenancy conditions.
 
ViolentPanda said:
The whole issue of time-limited tenancies is a Trojan Horse, in my opinion. Something deliberately designed to transfer the sort of minimal rights private renters "enjoy" into public sector rental. Of course, a social housing shortage of the proportions we're looking at, means that RSLs have the upper hand in coercing prospective tenants into accepting inferior tenancy conditions.
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Ideally there would be more social housing built and secure tenancies for any kind of renters - however can't see either of these things happening.
 
ViolentPanda said:
The whole issue of time-limited tenancies is a Trojan Horse, in my opinion. Something deliberately designed to transfer the sort of minimal rights private renters "enjoy" into public sector rental. Of course, a social housing shortage of the proportions we're looking at, means that RSLs have the upper hand in coercing prospective tenants into accepting inferior tenancy conditions.
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Thanks for the reply. For some reason I did not get an alert on this reply. Only saw it by chance. Do not know why.
 
A friend pointed on Facebook that the new trendy cocktail bar at 384 Coldharbour Lane has security outside its doors at 2pm. Which seems a bit fucking ridiculous.
 
Had the lovely privilege of ordering the last ever meals at Bickles. Shame it's going.
 
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