liquidindian
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There are for me, we need to keep going so there are for many more.There should be shouldn’t there ?
There are for me, we need to keep going so there are for many more.There should be shouldn’t there ?
There are for me, we need to keep going so there are for many more.
It's news to me that cars are being banned in any uk cities. Or that it's even been seriously proposed anywhere.Yes
‘Entrenched car culture’ leaves millions of Britons in transport poverty
Study finds drivers spending up to a fifth of pre-tax income on running a car as lack of infrastructure deters people from cyclingwww.theguardian.com
But effectively banning cars in cities and hoping everything else fixes itself is a shit solution.
It's news to me that cars are being banned in any uk cities. Or that it's even been seriously proposed anywhere.
As far as I can see, no-one here is advocating it.A surprising number of people here seem to be advocating it, but yes - no sensible people are advocating this.
You don’t need to ban them, you make using them utterly stupid.A surprising number of people here seem to be advocating it, but yes - no sensible people are advocating this.
Noticed that the famous Dumbarton Rd bollard had claimed another victim this morning. Truly a grafter, that one.yet again. Possibly the hardest working bollard in London.
It deserves a medal and a quite retirement to somewhere quiet, where it can live out the rest of its life in peace
A history of service
My family didn't have a car and we just hired one when we needed one. Then we had children (plural) and that was a complete game changer. Hiring a car is possible but it's inconvenient, having to fit in car seats and there is a possible safety/breakdown issue as some people use and abuse rentals.
The more rubbish we make life for car owners, the more we end up punishing those with limited mobility who rely on them. Obviously makes life difficult for small traders as well.
I would be interested in seeing stats on the percentage of traffic in Lambeth that is through traffic vs residents anyway.
Punishing residents does nothing to help the bigger problem of through traffic that clogs all the main roads.
As soon as you reduce traffic by residents it gets replaced by people driving in/out of London as their sat navs route them through the streets with the least traffic on.
It’s not the whole answer but this report is what you’re getting at.This just depends on how we make it rubbish for car owners.
For instance, if we make car ownership very expensive, then people with limited mobility can continue to access vehicles through the motability scheme and be unaffected by extra charges for car ownership, and/or can have additional payments through benefit systems to cover extra costs of car usage (and yes, I know, currently we won't see anything done to help disabled people on the benefits side of the equation and there are many people who have been wrongly excluded from getting DLA/PIP but then we're also not going to see car ownership made very expensive either).
Or when we are talking about something like LTNs or other general, non-financial based, traffic reduction measures, then if they work, those who are left needing to drive have fewer other drivers around clogging up roads and journeys become easier. school holidays see a reduction in traffic of around 10-15%, it's not a huge number but when you look at the effect it has on congestion it's massive. If you can get those people who don't need to drive out of their cars, it makes it much better for those who do need to drive.
Or like if we're talking about removing kerbside parking, then you leave spaces for blue badge holders (I think that is part of what has been proposed by Lambeth council in their kerbside strategy). You exempt blue badge holders from the need to have a specific parking space and things like that.
I have no idea what the ratio is but I would be willing to place a very large bet that the number of people without mobility issues that could use another form of transport but currently choose to drive vastly outweighs the number of people with mobility or other issues which mean driving is the only reasonable option for them.
On your last sentence, if you are blocking those streets with LTN implementations, then satnavs can't re-route through traffic down those roads
What about people who have children but can't afford a car or are unable to drive? How do you think their convenience of everyday life is affected by decisions that make things more convenient for car owners?My family didn't have a car and we just hired one when we needed one. Then we had children (plural) and that was a complete game changer. Hiring a car is possible but it's inconvenient, having to fit in car seats and there is a possible safety/breakdown issue as some people use and abuse rentals.
We don’t own a car now and didn’t before having kids but did when we had young kids.My family didn't have a car and we just hired one when we needed one. Then we had children (plural) and that was a complete game changer. Hiring a car is possible but it's inconvenient, having to fit in car seats and there is a possible safety/breakdown issue as some people use and abuse rentals.
The more rubbish we make life for car owners, the more we end up punishing those with limited mobility who rely on them. Obviously makes life difficult for small traders as well.
I would be interested in seeing stats on the percentage of traffic in Lambeth that is through traffic vs residents anyway.
Punishing residents does nothing to help the bigger problem of through traffic that clogs all the main roads.
As soon as you reduce traffic by residents it gets replaced by people driving in/out of London as their sat navs route them through the streets with the least traffic on.
It is possible to have children and move them about London without owning a car. Lots of people do it. And those of us that choose to do it by car have to take the rough with the smooth if London is to keep moving and not be polluted.punishing those with limited mobility
This is just the exact opposite of what's happening in Haringey at the moment - main roads clogged up - new rat runs generated via satnavs/waze in residential roads outside the LTNs. Reason - cause Haringey has low car ownership and shed loads of through traffic.Or when we are talking about something like LTNs or other general, non-financial based, traffic reduction measures, then if they work, those who are left needing to drive have fewer other drivers around clogging up roads and journeys become easier. school holidays see a reduction in traffic of around 10-15%, it's not a huge number but when you look at the effect it has on congestion it's massive. If you can get those people who don't need to drive out of their cars, it makes it much better for those who do need to drive.
Or like if we're talking about removing kerbside parking, then you leave spaces for blue badge holders (I think that is part of what has been proposed by Lambeth council in their kerbside strategy). You exempt blue badge holders from the need to have a specific parking space and things like that.
I have no idea what the ratio is but I would be willing to place a very large bet that the number of people without mobility issues that could use another form of transport but currently choose to drive vastly outweighs the number of people with mobility or other issues which mean driving is the only reasonable option for them.
On your last sentence, if you are blocking those streets with LTN implementations, then satnavs can't re-route through traffic down those roads
Much as I support this policy, it'll probably drive more car owners to completely pave over their gardens and turn streets even uglier.Either show you have a private driveway or pay for a specific residential space. If none are available, no car.
But Lambeth hold the trump card.... They have to give you permission to create a driveway if you need to cross the public footpath.Much as I support this policy, it'll probably drive more car owners to completely pave over their gardens and turn streets even uglier.
I wonder how many households have ever been refused. It's utterly depressing seeing London's front gardens turned into car parks rammed full of vehicles.But Lambeth hold the trump card.... They have to give you permission to create a driveway if you need to cross the public footpath.
shuffles feet awkwardly and hesitantly raises hand.I wonder how many households have ever been refused.
Many will be historical. I'm pretty certain they are very strict now and it costs thousands to get the dropped curb. So fingers crossedI wonder how many households have ever been refused. It's utterly depressing seeing London's front gardens turned into car parks rammed full of vehicles.
Conservation areas normally mean automatic refusalI wonder how many households have ever been refused. It's utterly depressing seeing London's front gardens turned into car parks rammed full of vehicles.
Sorry should have said motorised vehicle then, not car, lolWe raised two kids in London without a car. In fairness I did have a motorbike which I used to commute and to take them to footie, etc. At no point did I feel the need for a car. Most of my friends had cars, and they were always late to things. On the odd occasion I needed to move kit that woudlnt fit on the motorbike, I would rent a zipvan.
Public transport provision in London is pretty good thankfully, and kids travel free. It's more for journeys outside of London where a private car really comes in useful. Getting two small kids from A to B on buses is doable but hard, and if the pushchair space is taken when the bus rolls up then you have to wait for the next one. If it helps I drive a battery electric vehicle and I respect the speed limit, so at least from an air quality perspective it's better for those around meWhat about people who have children but can't afford a car or are unable to drive? How do you think their convenience of everyday life is affected by decisions that make things more convenient for car owners?
Ok, but none of this answers the question I asked. What you've written is all about what is or isn't convenient for you, and your justifications for your car use.Public transport provision in London is pretty good thankfully, and kids travel free. It's more for journeys outside of London where a private car really comes in useful. Getting two small kids from A to B on buses is doable but hard, and if the pushchair space is taken when the bus rolls up then you have to wait for the next one. If it helps I drive a battery electric vehicle and I respect the speed limit, so at least from an air quality perspective it's better for those around me
I would never do school drop off with a car and I don't commute by car, so you could say I'm an off peak driver.
I would be very tempted to get rid of the car once the kids are older and don't need so much ferrying around.
I know a lot of middle aged men and women who are mad into cycling, but London is never going to be Amsterdam, sorry. Far too many hills for a start, and ebikes are too expensive for most people.
That said I'd love to see more segregated cycle lanes, because more people and particularly more families and young people would be encouraged to cycle if it was less dangerous
I hope we will see a gradual shift over the next 50 years. Maybe better safety features in cars (AI) can improve road safety for everyone. Maybe people will all be on electric scooters
I suspect most that do it haven’t asked for permission and the council doesn’t enforce due to lack of resources.I wonder how many households have ever been refused. It's utterly depressing seeing London's front gardens turned into car parks rammed full of vehicles.
This is just the exact opposite of what's happening in Haringey at the moment - main roads clogged up - new rat runs generated via satnavs/waze in residential roads outside the LTNs. Reason - cause Haringey has low car ownership and shed loads of through traffic.
Currently the 3 LTNs are abit like chucking 3 pebbles into a stream.. and is just displacing traffic. The solution seems to be to either implement them across the whole borough or have a rather pointless scheme that just makes some areas nicer to live in and others less so.
Problem is that the council can only put restrictions on the roads that they manage, and a lot of the bigger roads which handle the most traffic are managed by TFL.Ah, sure i see what you/they mean and what i think should be done is that you start in the place(s) with the worst issues, and reduce traffic there then move on to places where displacement has created new/more issues - as you say it needs to be borough wide. Block one rat run, creating another then block that until none are left, just roads suitable for all the through traffic (if such roads exist without being purpose built).
But through traffic should also reduce as you make it less convenient to drive through and people change mode of transport for their journey because cycling or public transport becomes relatively more attractive.
As long as with each step you are reducing traffic overall, you are making a positive difference to reduce traffic and thereby pollution, much of which is particulate pollution from tires and brakes and not addressed by emissions standards/EVs. You start somewhere and then move on to the next place that needs it most afterwards.
What about people who have children but can't afford a car or are unable to drive?Ok, but none of this answers the question I asked. What you've written is all about what is or isn't convenient for you, and your justifications for your car use.
Your original statement was about how hiring cars is inconvenient for people who have children and who want to use a car. I don't dispute that having your own car will be more convenient for many people, compared to hiring. And there are probably things that could be done to make use of hire cars more convenient. But my point was that you are viewing these questions of convenience from the position of someone who has the option of having their own car, and I was asking you to think about what things look like to people with kids who don't have a car. We were discussing the pavement policy. In broad terms, improving pavement space, reducing the amount of traffic in general, reducing the number of parked cars, increasing the availability of car club cars, these are all things that can make daily life more convenient for those who don't own a car.What about people who have children but can't afford a car or are unable to drive?
As I said, public transport is imperfect but it's available.
How do you think their convenience of everyday life is affected by decisions that make things more convenient for car owners?
There is a balance to be struck. For the most part I think LTNs are a step in the right direction, but I think a more joined up solution working with TFL is required so all the traffic doesn't get diverted onto boundary roads.
As someone who lives in a LTN I haven't seen any reduction in car ownership/use by residents since the LTN came in. If anything the opposite.