TruXta
tired
I can't think of any other pub in that area that fits the bill.I shall check my facts when I see her on Wednesday
Brixton-like places in south London??!
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el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
nice ones though. the point is, there's nowhere like Brixton. so if you can't afford Brixton anymore then you're out of luck.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Or not, since Brixton has become Clapham, or something
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
As Dorothy said 'There's no place like home...'
TruXta
tired
In fairness, there's nowhere like Anerley either.
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
At what point does it become worth moving out of London altogether? It seems like there's a death valley around zone 4/5 where you're still paying London prices but you've got a crappy metro train service that takes ages, whereas if you go a bit further out you could live near a station with a direct train, thereby making it faster to get in.
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
That is the first time I have ever heard that skunkworks shop being used as an example of gentrification.
ska invita
back on the other side
although commuter spots with fast train connections cost a lot too. Mass entryism of Dagenham is the only way to go
TruXta
tired
Quite - IIRC one of the councillors tried to get some sort of order against it, as he thought it anti-social.That is the first time I have ever heard that skunkworks shop being used as an example of gentrification.
Check out the cost of a train ticket from anywhere beyond zone 6. Better putting that money towards rent or mortgage and live somewhere you want to.
Check out the costs of a pub lunch or six cans of beer out there also. Or a minicab.
There is no competition and everyone sticks the arm in.
DO NOT LEAVE LONDON UNLESS YOU'RE LOADED.
And if you were, rising rent wouldn't matter.
When I say I may have to leave London - I mean leave completely, new city. Cos I sure as hell can't afford to live in London any more!
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
this is true. with pastures green and life serene!
I hate to offer such a banal suggestion, but could you try to do something to make a few more quid first. Buy crap from China and put it on ebay. Make jewellery and get a market stall at the West Norwood Feast. Do an evening per week behind a bar. Become a feng shui consultant and charge an arm and a leg to those who have come in to Brixton by telling them which way to face their salt cellar.
Don't go down without a fight.
In my opinion London is the greatest city on earth. I spent a lot of time in New York when my brother lived there, grew up in Belfast, spent 8 years in Dublin and a year in Frankfurt. I've been on holidays to Tokyo, Bangkok, Chicago, Reykjavik, Hong Kong etc.
The only place which I have thought I would ever consider giving a whirl to other than London is Vienna.
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
I see what you did there. Nice.
Believe it or not, I didn't see what I did. But now I do!
It must have been subliminal or subconscious or sub-something else.
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
I need to think up some side-line actually.
Anyway, thinking about the higher transport costs. I suppose this is all factored into house prices by the market, but here's an example. Folkestone to London annual season ticket is £4800ish, an extra grand if you go high speed. An annual zone 1-5 travel card is £2000, £2200 for zone 1-6.
So you're only paying about £3k extra to commute in from Folkestone. You can buy a decent well located house for £200-300k. Surely you'd save £3k a year easily on housing costs. And Folkestone is pretty nice.
I was thinking today that London is becoming increasingly doughnut shaped. People no longer go central for nights out, they go to Brixton or Dalston or further out east (or Camden if they suck). Barely anyone lives in zone one. The centre's becoming hollowed out, a place to commute in for work and then get out as soon as you can, past all the apartments bought off plan by investors.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Friend of wife has given up her four hours a day (minimum) Hastings commute.
Whatever the savings in housing, that kind of journeying is suicidal.
Whatever the savings in housing, that kind of journeying is suicidal.
And if you and a wife / partner both commute in that's 6 grand - 6 months payment on a £250k mortgage over 35 years.
Put the money in to living in London and spend the extra time saved commuting at work. Either get overtime to help pay the mortgage or else work hard to get promoted.
90 minute train journeys, when everything is working, and £5k train tickets are enough to make you weep.
South Norwood is definitely Brixton 15-20 years ago. And this was concurred yesterday by an older person who has lived in SE25 for years and has seen the change. The people that used to live in Brixton sold up and/or moved to South Norwood and Thornton Heath.
Also SE25 is still relatively cheap to buy and rent. You can get a 196 direct to Brixton or go to Crystal Palace and bus it from there. Or you can just go out in Crystal Palace, which is about 10 mins by bus from SE25.
Also SE25 is still relatively cheap to buy and rent. You can get a 196 direct to Brixton or go to Crystal Palace and bus it from there. Or you can just go out in Crystal Palace, which is about 10 mins by bus from SE25.
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ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Or 3 mins on the train.
I have been looking there as def cheaper - but don't know a single person there and really hate the thought of not having at least one person I know in the neighbourhood... You like it there?
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
I liked South Norwood well enough. I lived there for six years. Friendly enough place. Bit downheel but had everything we needed from it.
TruXta
tired
I wouldn't say South Norwood is like Brixton of 15-20 years ago - even then Brixton was a town centre, on a tube line, with the market, cinema, Academy and other draws. AFAIK South Norwood to this day doesn't have anything comparable. Maybe if Stanley Halls becomes properly up and running that could provide a much needed community space/events venue but I think it's unhelpful and unfair to compare the two places.
FWIW I've nothing against South Norwood, it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with it as such.
FWIW I've nothing against South Norwood, it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with it as such.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
yeah, i couldn't do that. my brain would break. i'd rather live in poverty tbh!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
whose streets? our streets
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
isn't hastings the suicide capital of the south?
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Possibly - latest reports say this friend of wife is loving her new non-commute life, despite big pay cut.
Yes, I love it here. Compared to E Dulwich where I used to live, Se25 is real! I have lived in London (Camberwell and E Dulwich for over 20 years). During this time I only had an acquaintance that lived in Se25, but moved out before I arrived. So I thought I wouldn't know anyone here. However, since being here I've bumped into former colleagues (nice ones) who I'd thought would live in North London and old friends/acquaintances from Camberwell/E Dulwich too.
The demographics are definitely Brixton (of years ago), but yes the actual amenities are not quite the same. Stanley Halls will definitely be up and running I've been involved in this project.
